No. the Tories made provision for the referendum as they were frightened of how many seats they would lose to UKIP.
I did say one of the reasons What you said is the other. There may even be more reasons than those two, who knows.
Cameron saw that the EU issue was going to come to a head and probably because he did not really understand who he was dealing with, he went to Brussels to obtain some tasty treats - little concessions that he could offer to the UK. That way he could say, "See, EU not so bad, I have it covered" and at the same time take some of the wind out of UKIP's sails. Of course, the EU doesn't do concessions if it considers it holds the whip hand. The Project must proceed, no matter what. The EU was certain of the firm hold it had on the UK's testicles. Furthermore, the EU doesn't care if Labour or Tories are "in charge" of the UK, they feel that they control both of them ... so it mattered not one bit to the EU how Cameron personally came out of this. Genius Cameron, bounced back by the EU, was made a fool of and had actually made matters worse for himself, rather than better, by seeking his concessions. He had only one play left - that is, to show that the Great British People were still on board with EU membership. In this way he could quell the growing Eurosceptic disquiet within his own party and hopefully knacker UKIP along the way. I can only assume that the EU was confident that the 2016 Ref ploy would work and so it green-lighted Cameron's plan. The rest, as they say, is history. I trust this fills in the gaps for you, Alan.
Yes, however, despite even the high profile members of the eu saying something needs to change, it hasn't. since the 2016 result, Martin Selmyer was promoted twice in 4 hours just so he could attain the role of junkers deputy which was then found by the eu's own internal standards committee, to be against the eu's own rules and yet he's still there. Mep's voted to keep their 4,300 euro's a month expenses (not to be confused with their wages) unaccountable meaning they will not have to provide a single reciept for those expenses spend. The eu border force which currently stands at 1,500 was was created in 2015 to help with the worst of the economic migration swamping of europe which has now been reduced, will now next year increase to 10,000 border force agents and will work in all eu countries and will not be accountable to that country, their prime minister or governmental official at all but only to the eu. Since 2016, the eu has mentioned change but has by action, not only refused change but has gone even further into a centralist federal state Funny thing is of those who said we should remain and change from within, some of those left their own party rather than change from within, I'm thinking Allen, Ummuna, Sourbry etc and another fucked off to work for zuckerberg
No - two. One for ‘do you still want to stay in the EU’ And One for ‘do you still want to leave the Eu’ Depending on the result we could releave or lemain
We need a couple more years to think about it, according to some in the EU, just prolong the pain until we submit.
Do you know? I reckon we have wasted more time on 1549 pages of debating what we can only speculate upon; than the government and MPs have spent on sorting Brexit since the referendum.
i didnt say that brexiteers did not know what they (all) where voting for. even now near 3 years later they still dont know for certain. but plenty had an incling, the video thats been posted twice now? . what was i voting for? plan A . show me the brexit white paper.
Fun little thought experiment for you all. Purely hypothetical, it could never happen. As a Brit - if your government started behaving in such a heinous, egregious way that you felt compelled to march upon the seat of government and protest with a view to bringing the government down , would you prefer to: a. March on Westminster and be confronted by British police and British troops or b. Take the Eurostar, head for Brussels or Strasbourg and then be confronted by French and/or German police and troops? Like I say, purely hypothetical. Such a scenario might occur in Venuzuela, etc, bet never in the home of democracy that is the UK. What are we, some kind of authoritarian banana republic? Pah!
That's a shame, Al. I feel sorry for you. I have learned loads and loads, and the thread has helped me better formulate my thoughts on Brexit, refine my reasoning and arguments ...plus dookie has me PMSL every post he makes! Big thanks, dookie!
i can however see a southener bitching because he/she has been led to believe the rUK is being subsidised by them
But fin, a book called scotlands future was never on the voting paper the vote was independence yes or no
