I define myself as a soft Brexiter, fast becoming an ex-Brexiter. To deny that such a thing / person exists is ridiculous. The word Brexit is only 3 years old. Yet you seem to be the dictionary / bible on it all! Language is evolving all the time. It is not possible to be the authority what does and does not exist. It's just your opinion. You seem to have unmoveable strong opinion on it all. How did you learn so much about it? I'm genuinely in awe. I have learnt so much about government since 2016. Mainly that it all needs to be taken apart and started again. And that hard brexiteers and hard remainers won't budge. By not budging, you become part of the problem.
Allahu akbar! I'm taking bets. I bet anyone a tenner to charity that Brexit fucks off into the horizon by the end of the year and the UK will still be in the EU. Tory part likely to offer up some lame plan b in desperation, whilst they fuck off for 15 years or more trying to regroup. Stunned that Corbyn is now in No. 10.
There are no hard brexiteers, that was a remainer term to make us look like extreme right. On the basis of the asked for vote, no matter for what reason you voted for, the vote was leave or remain. The only deal that matches leaving the eu and the control of the eu is the wto and free trade. EVERY other option was, and remains, what level of remain do you want? It was hoped by leavers that when article 50 began and gave the 2 years notice to quit, that those 2 years would be used if not to get a deal (preferable) then the two years could be eased to ensure both sides were ready for 2 years plus day 1. A remain house of lords and parliament have consistently tried to re-run that 2016 election and undermine the vote by putting every obstacle in the way to stop that peoples majority democratic vote being carried out. All sides agree that Mays deal is not leave and is worse than the deal we currently have. At some point we will, in order to stop this event dragging on for years, bite the bullet and make a decision. Currently the choice is between peoples democracy and respecting those votes or people being prepared to lose the one voice they have left to stay under control of a body that isn't even a country in the 28 The caveat remains, if with the brexit vote we allow politicians to set the precedent that peoples majority democratic votes can be over turned before they are even enacted because politicians think they know better than they people they trusted to elect them as their mp, then the precedent is set to allow mp's to ignore democratic majority votes.This decision will go way beyond brexit.
Sorry. Wrong. it exists because it is in use. As is hard remainer. But anyway, as you were....I was just interested to find, that at least in the motorcycling community, there is not much movement.
I think if you looked through the speakers section, a number of threads where long posts have been incredibly long, have pictures at various interjections to break up those posts, some have been boobies, some cats and some humour. I pretty sure a cat with a dark tache has appeared in many other sections of the whole forum many times before without your mention
Out of interest, I think you said earlier that you voted leave, and from this post you have changed your mind. Can I ask why ? I agree about the government.
They have taken too long, 3 years and we still don't know where we are. I had expected to be out within 12 months, 5 year recession. Then be free to trade as a stronger freer country. We have a bunch of wankers in charge and not much in opposition. I used to work for a deparmtent in the old DTI in the intenational trade dept (12 years up to 2016), now known as DIT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_for_International_Trade). I can tell you that Brown and Cameron totally gutted that admittedly bloated organisation. But anyway, that is where the trade negotiators (used to) reside. When Davis took his DIT trade 'experts' with him to Brussels, I knew there were none left. Based on the fuck-up in the exit negotiations, and the fact that DIT no longer has strength in trade negotiaton, it's going to be another almighty fuck up. And if the tories are still in power, they are going to be under pressure to get deals in the bag fast. Other countries will not have this pressure. Trump's trade teams are going to clean up. We are to be, as new Model Army once said, the 51st state of America. Secondly, my business is now suffering. Again due to uncertainty. We turn over less than a million with retailer margins and so are very vulnerable to uncertainty. We don't have the resource to weather a long storm. We rocked a bit in 2016 when the dollar was 1.20 to the Pound. So I have had to put prices up. Thirdly, there are personal things that would have been impossible to factor in when voting. I am living in France with a UK driving license and the French authorities refused to change the address on my license. Meaning that I could be here without the right to drive. If that happens, I may have to close shop here. That would be a shame, since I am operating a UK ltd co here, paying corporation taxes in the UK from French and German sales. If Brexit makes it too hard for me to operate, I will have to rethink how to operate from the UK again. It was always going to be hard, and I knew that when voting out but the lack of progress and shit they have come up with makes me think we should remain now. I am not entirely sure, though. I can't stand the EU. It's gone beyond its remit. But life was OK before. What is the point in all this? It was only ever a nice to have thing, it was never essential for survival and happiness that we leave the EU. So if it cant be done well, it maybe should not be done at all.
There are a couple of inconsistencies here. You say that the only real Brexit is a no-deal one, ie. no give and take, no compromise, no agreement. A bald WTO position. You then say that getting a deal would have been preferable, ie. we would have compromised on stuff, given up some things to get other things - a standard negotiation. Then you say that May’s deal is not Brexit - consistent with your initial position. It’s hard to see what possible deal could have been negotiated which would meet your criteria for Brexit, seeing as Brexit can only be “no-deal”. This viewpoint is increasingly shared by the Brexit camp and thus any expressed wish for an accommodation with Brussels is just a disingenuous sham. It will also be interesting, after the no-deal Brexit, to see what agreement can be reached with the EU about anything as an agreement will imply giving up something to get something else. Unless, of course, the entirely self-sufficient UK needs nothing from Europe at all. It will also be interesting to see what concessions the UK will suddenly be keen to accord the USA for some deal to be worked out. It seems that the distrust of our hitherto partners in Europe does not extend to the US, the Chinese (let’s have them build our power and communications infrastructure) or anyone else. So many deals to be negotiated, so many concessions to be granted.
I find it interesting that it’s not because you have changed your mind about the EU rather it seems it’s because basically the U.K. government have made such a mess of it. Almost like they have ‘ground you down’.
Certainly, that is a big part of it. You know Davis, May et al could not even negotiate freedom of movement properly between EU citizens already in UK and UK citizens already in EU. UK has said everyone in UK can stay. France and Germany has said nothing independently of the EU, which has said I can stay in France but that's the only country I can live in in the EU. This is based on them trading a country for a country I suppose. But the EU is supposedly into free movement. Well, clearly not, not if you are UK citizens. It's a bit like having a leper bell if that is how it pans out. it does not help that I live in Strasbourg France and work in Kehl Germany. The two cities are connected by an urban tramline. Will I have to apply for a visa to go to work? I will not just be in Germany for two weeks on holiday. I'll be crossing the border every day.
To me it seems as if the politicians have worked together to get us here, making leaving the EU all but impossible
I agree...saying one thing to keep their constituents happy but then using stealth tactics to force a remain.
