For the record I'd back a scottish dependance on the EU, just so long as they don't think they are taking our oil
The entire MSM conversation over Brexit consisted of: "We cannot crash out without a Deal and it is up to MPs to carve out an agreement with the EU." This was the narrative. This was how the entire story was laid out. These were the only terms of reference that mattered to the story. I'd call it naive but ... you, me, your mum ... we all know it wasn't naivety. Behind it was disingenuousness and an essentially Remain Establishment which insisted that the discussion be entirely carried out on those terms, and those terms alone. The MSM, as tools of the Establishment, were complicit in this approach. Discussions that never reached the mainstream: The EU was *never* going to give the UK a deal that didn't fatally harm the UK in some fundamental way, either economically (punitive Exit fees, unsupportable trade terms, etc) or politically (eg, calving off NI from the rest of the UK). The EU was not being vindictive, it was being proactive. It was desperate to dissuade the UK from leaving the EU Superstate Project, as the UK is not just a cash cow for it, it is an important piece of land and working stock (people). The EU had to do everything it could to dissuade other nations from thinking that exiting the EU was a good idea. Any nation that leaves (not just the cash cows) not only sets back the progress of the Project, it runs the risk of derailing the Project completely and permanently. The UK Establishment is as committed to the EU Project as that of any of the other 27 nations. Thus, the incomprehensible, apparently extraordinarily foolish decision to "Take No Deal off the table" is explained. The organisation that May worked for had to put fear of No Deal into the heart of as many UK MPs as possible, to ensure that this line of "negotiation" never got any traction. This boogeyman of "Crashing Out of the EU" (the only term the MSM EVER used in relation to a WTO exit) seemed to work, both with MPs and with much of the Public. (I wonder what other methods were put in place to cow MPs into voting to remove No Deal as an option, but that is speculation on my part.) There is no speculation in the MSM, no discussion, no debate and no theory-crafting that explores the near certainty of why it is impossible to leave the EU with a "decent deal". The political analysis is all put forward as "this will be the best we can get from the EU, we cannot leave without a Deal, shouldn't we accept May's WA?". They never ask themselves or anyone else, "WHY IS IT SO HARD TO GET A DECENT DEAL FROM THE EU?". For this reason alone, it is possible to deduce that the MSM is a propagandising tool for the Establishment and is only there to shape public opinion.
And as a JC supporter, do you not find him, McDonnell and Co remotely responsible for this long drawn out issue and lack of closure? Given JC hasn't ever once publicly nailed his colours to the mast, and has been probably the most ambiguous and vague MP on the Brexit issue, you sincerely believe his stance and insistent ranting of 'I demand a general election' has helped? Im not for a minute standing up for the Tories, but credit where its due and all that, JC is as much to blame and culpable as any Tory. If his supporters can't see that then they're simply not looking
Do i fuck, right from the get go May had the reins herself and would not let go, not allowing any cross party input from any section within Parliament. That has been clear too see for all and sundry. Then when all was lost she conceded begrudgingly as a token gesture, too late all was lost.
Typical Labour tbh. M u s t k e e p e v e r y s i n g l e vote. Must not upset Red/Blue, left/right in between, LGB, Multicultural, minority/majority at any cost etc etc. So they end up sitting on the fence. Corbyn though, wtf is he? Whatever, trustworthy does not come to mind. The Tories must love him, not kept in power by their politicians, but by the opposition. Shameful situation and a decent opposition would have torn the Tories to shreds by now.
Blake Lively, you know. If I had to step over Blake Lively in order to get to Eva Green ... well, let's just hope that eventuality never comes up.
Tch Tch, so many hang ups to deal with ? Tories didn't need any shredding from the opposition managed nicely own their own.
The clear things I learnt from last nights election results were: The Party that swapped the 5p carrier bag charge for tougher benefit sanctions lost lots of seats, Jezzas mob need to do better at getting their message out Vince and his taxi-load of MPs still can’t stop Brexit Farage’s Tory retirement home with no MPs still can’t deliver Brexit, even if they won all the seats Chukka or Heidi's Spare Change Flip Flop party are toast Caroline did well
I see he has been to the finm school of charm - I on the other hand have only played with people in a friendly manner that have been insulting on here. There is a big big difference (even if I have made some cry)
