I see. What options would you like to see on the ballot? Leave and CU (ie not leave) Leave and WA (ie not leave) Bearing in mind there is only really one kind of leave - leaving without strings attached. (I know you won't agree).
I saw a fraction of a second of the same interview, and I turned it over before I even registered the fact he was on-screen. You snooze, you lose.
You know that the "Deal" isn't Leave, right? This isn't your first day in the thread, yes? Aaahh! You got me! Nice one. Hooked right through the cheek, so I was! *thumbup*
My posting skills are suffering currently..... The "deal" is I see a compromise leave option of course, anyone who thought the EU would give the UK the deal it wanted is a fantasist. any agreement? However 48% of those that voted don't want to leave at all, but are willing to accept the result and maybe a proportion of the 52% want to leave but with Some sort of relationship???? So we could resolve the deadlock by voting on leaving on what terms.....and i only know of the 2 options. The flaw with the referendum was it was in/out and now we can choose what type of exit we want, or is that un democratic?
You are suggesting a compromise for a binary choice. The WA deal was clever, it ticked a couple of Leave boxes but when you drilled down, there were immediate problems with it and there were long-term problems, too. The main problem with it is that it placed the UK in a position where it would be forced to return to the EU or face the prospect of EU manipulation and steady economic ruin. However, that is beside the point. If you are "a little bit in the EU", you haven't left the EU. If you haven't left the EU, you are not the master of your own destiny. The 2016 Ref was couched in terms of a complete exit from the EU, by Cameron himself, and the 2017 GE reinforced this. The concept of "compromise" in this context is at best, misguided, and at worst, misleading/duplicitous. False dilemma. We will have a relationship with Europe after we Leave and a relationship with the EU for as long as it lasts. There is no "deadlock". There is a referendum result and there is a UK Government that has thus far refused to action the result and in fact, has tried to subvert the result by pursuing a deeply dishonest course of action. Leave won, Remain lost. The UK will Leave. Had Remain won, we'd have Remained, with no discussion whatsoever of "compromise" or "honouring the wishes of a substantial minority". I understand your position on this and your argument that there are "types" of leaving ... it's just that there no logical basis for this kind of thinking, only an emotional one. To repeat a metaphor I have used before, if you walk out of the sea, you have left the sea. If you are standing with one foot still in the sea, you are standing in the sea. I know I haven't persuaded you. You know you cannot persuade me. The fact that no one, not MPs, not "experts", not ordinary people like ourselves, has managed to come up with a course of action that is mutually agreeable, in three years plus all those years prior to the 2016 Ref, means that some kind of non-mutual decision has to be reached. Because we live in a democracy, we had a vote on it. In a vote, one side wins, the others lose.
We've been here before. Once a decision is made on the type of deal we want then going to the negotiating table becomes a bit tricky. If the buyer only wants one item (and the seller knows that this want is actually a must have) then the seller can name his price. Result buyer gets shafted. TB
Nothing that might be said by Boris or any other candidate in the Tory leadership contest re Brexit matters as much as this. John Bercow is absolutely right: voters have never delegated to the membership of the Conservative Party the choice of whether to No Deal.
Bercow like the rest of the extreme remainers don't confuse "the vote to leave" with "leave depending on a deal" accidentally, the do it deliberatly to stop democracy. It is their masturbatory muse, their reason for existence.
Other than a massive trade deficit which should have been and can be a huge negotiating tool for us, we now have the prospect of staying in and giving the EU the Mr Farage and Miss Widdecombe road show for the next 4 years and beyond they won't like that up em you know
oh do stop with the trade deficite pish. make like bojo, and "fuck business". yer not sugesting that the uk parlimentery system is not fit for purpose. noob.
I would politely suggest that if the speaker of the house is supposed to be independent, then employing the Genghis Khan to sit in his seat, might need some re-evaluation
clearly that was an invitation to reply. so, yip. i have sence. ten tonnes of the stuff. happy to share it with you, but alas, i fear it would still not be enough.
At some point fin will click and realise what he just said, followed by a silent Mc -doh simpson stylee shhhh no one tell him now, lets see how long it takes
