British Indy: What Happens Now?

What I'm really struggling with here is that everyone seems to lack some basic knowledge about Brand protection, consumer choice and the avoidance of legal action. Or they choose to ignore it

IF the UK ever leaves the EU we will in no uncertain terms still produce chicken on mass within our own country. There's your choice

Should American and any other countries chicken also be imported to the UK it will undoubtedly be by major blue chip companies who hold their brands in high regard, especially as the supermarket industry is one of the most competitive in the country.

Why would any of them risk legal action and the complete destruction of their brand by peddling dangerous and infected products?

It's just beyond irrational to even suggest it.

The simple suggestion that ALL American chicken is of poor quality is ridiculous, I'm sure if panarama wanted to find bad food preparation practice within a UK plant it could do so within a day, equally so on the continent.

Food standards are a good thing, but to suggest that brand owners would simply import any old shit without having the suppliers adhere to a minimum standard of supply is just cod shit

Presumably not many people import product, but I do and I can assure you that when we deal with China, Korea and even certain American suppliers we don't simply take their 'off the shelf' offering.

We have them adapt practices and content when producing goods for us under our brand. That gets QC Checked at goods in and rejected if it fails our stipulations. They then don't get paid, it kinda works that way

This is common practice, producers have multiple manufacturing lines and products are produced differently for different markets all the time and yet the end user (consumer) is entirely unaware.

I appreciate the concern about common or enforced food standards needing to remain high, but give people some credit, you don't build a successful business buying cheap and ignoring quality standards of your own. And bizarrely enough the EU doesn't set our brand values, we do

Oh and in case people feel it's only ROTW counties we ask to change production think again, both our French and German suppliers manufacture goods for us under our brand to standards set higher than their EU customer base.

 

I would be surprised if many of those complaining about eating chlorinated chicken know they have been eating chlorinated food for the last 20 years if they eat nuts, fruit and mixed bag salads. It's just more of the anti American rhetoric.

If you think clearly, if we open our markets up, we are more likely to have issues with food from countries that doesn't even have a cdc equivalent but no one other than the U.S. and the chicken is being mentioned.

 

Let's also look at the NHS comments for a minute

Now unless I'm mistaken, the USA has some of the largest, if not THE largest pharmaceutical manufacturers in the world? So given the quantity produced you would intelligently assume costs for production would be much lower than anywhere else.

So when Trumpy pants mentions the NHS should be discussed why is it that people talk as though he's just said either

A- They want to own / run / buy it
B - They intend to remove the current system and change it to a health insurance system

Instead of getting embroiled in another country's tax system, Would it not be much easier for them to simply be included on the suppliers lists for many of the millions upon millions of pills and pharmaceuticals that get purchased each year to run the bloody thing?

Would that not be sensible if their manufacturing power helped reduce some of the running costs?

Again maybe I'm looking at it too simplistic, but on the basis of legal challenges and similar to brand protection as mentioned above regards the chicken, why would the NHS buy sub standard drugs from American companies and risk billions of legal action cases against them?

It also doesn't mean that incumbent suppliers would be cut, but it would help a few 'sharpen their pencil' if others on the suppliers listed could supply the same products to the same quality for less

 

In regards to the nhs comment, at the speech, when asked about everything on the table did that include the nhs? at first he didn't hear it and may had to repeat the question to him and he said sure everything is on the table.

A few hours later he had an interview with piers morgan where he said this

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/wor...nal-postbrexit-trade-deal-after-a4159596.html

 

Trump is a business man and one lacking in moral fibre. Money is ammoral I hear you cry! Well, yes, but his actions and its impacts on others historically has not been good. Anyone who believes that he won't try to pull the UKs pants down is being very naive. His promotion of puppet Farage is just an attempt to put someone in the inside so he can get the best deal. I doubt he sees Farage as anything but a brown nosing little pratt ( in which case I'd have something in common with Trump. scary thought)

Opening up the market on the NHS should create Increased competition. Pharmaceuticals: each medicine is patented in a specific country or region so this creates a deliberate barrier to entry to promote R&D spend. The NHS can get round this by running trials for indefinite periods so I would expect that to form part of a deal. Health care in the US is big business and the NHS already has private contractors so I would also expect this area to form part of a trade deal too. Providing standards are not open to be compromised competition for contracts would in theory be positive. Depends on your view of whether we should protect UK domestic enterprise or the NHS of course.

Never a dull day in politics in the UK at the moment.. it's like love island but with more fucking idiots.

 

yip, because trump will never have been lobbied by big pharma. nope. no chance he knew what the NHS was.

 

The problem with US food standards is that chlorine washing is not a good substitute for the more stringent food safety measures which in the EU are mandatory earlier in the processing chain. In the USA, these more stringent measures are not legal requirements. So for example in the EU there are restrictions on flock density and transportation times, restrictions which have an impact on producers’ profit margins. There are also strict regulations governing the processing plants, and guarantees of workers’ rights and health and safety. These restrictions have been shown to be successful in reducing the spread of salmonella and campylobacter bacteria infections as well as in creating a safer working environment for staff, but in the USA processers substitute bathing the chicken carcasses in a dilute chlorine solution. This process kills 90% of the bacteria present in the chicken, but it’s the other 10% that cause the problem.

American chicken is 20% cheaper than its British equivalent. It’s cheaper because food safety standards are less rigorous, and because workers in the processing plants have less protection. A US trade deal would see British markets flooded with cheaper American products which are less safe. That would encourage a drive downwards in standards amongst UK producers

 

Ahh now the pharma industry whilst linked to, is different from the nhs, it's also worth mentioning that that we have the 6th largest pharma company ourselves in glaxo smithkline and one of the largest pharma industries in the world so hardly a push over if someone wants a challenge

I noticed on the chicken you avoided the two points I raised earlier fin in that the eu has 9million cases of food poisoning whilst the u.s. figure quoted as 1.3, could you explain how we have substantially more if we have higher standards

also if food monitoring is the key, you again didn't comment on the article that shows from last december, the eu has massively reduced the amount of food inspections in regards to poultry

and lastly, given a clean break will allow us to accept food from around the world, why are you focusing just on the U.S. and just on chicken?

 

yip, we have the 6th biggest. worth capturing some market share from that. no?

 

given that they are suposed to be a world leader in comparison. mayber we should have a wee look at the leser countries and their techniques

 

and on the eu massively reducing inspections on poultry which some claim stop our standards lowering ?

 

FYI - all those bagged salads we buy in the supermarkets today contain leaves that are washed in a mild chlorine (sodium hypochlorite) solution then tumble dryed and bagged in a modified gas atmosphere. No different to what some USA chicken producers do. All to extend the shelf life of the product. I don't see anyone complaining about salad.

 

yip. knowledge comes from various sources. i know you just wake up knowing...shit....
some, like me, will use reliable and proven sources. tho i accept, most will have a biased leaning.