Anti Vehicle Noise Cameras

I havent a clue what "Motorcycle Association" would endorse these, maybe the "Civil Service MCC?
This is just like speed camera's: more about generating income than actually improving the environment or saving lives.
In a similar vein there is now a move to enforce a blanket speed limit of 20mph across the whole of the capital, even though some very serious research indicates this is at best ineffective, or in some circumstances leads to an increase in accidents.
Join MAG before motorcycling is banned completely

 

Well they had divised this technology using white-noise on ambulances sometime back. Which would over-power peoples loud music scenarios. Where the driver was oblivious to their surrounds & the emergency services needing to get past in a queue of traffic. That was stopped & I've no doubt this type of 'non lethal technology' that comes straight from usa_fascistland will be too.

 

What is the legal limit. Didn’t think there was one?

 

There is this government guidance that includes statements on vehicle noise limits:
https://www.gov.uk/noise-pollution-road-train-plane/further-information ;
and this:
https://www.vehicle-certification-a...consumption-guide/cars-and-noise/#topic-title
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For interest, the CoC for my Panigale R (Mk 2) shows in section 45 the sound level taken from: 97/24/EC - 2009/108/EC, as:
Stationary: 110 dB(A) at engine speed 5875 rpm (min-1); and, Drive-by: 79.5 dB(A) .
Hope it helps.
Tom.

 

Before people get too agitated, I think the key word in the headline is "tested".
It's an easy story for a journalist to publish, that will grab attention from whichever side of the argument you may be on.

I can see so many issues and loopholes, both from a technology and a legal standpoint.
I predict it will never see the light of day.

 

The last trial they did on the A32 near Loomies didn't end that well I believe.

The system worked perfectly for a lone vehicle, but failed miserably to identify a single vehicle in a line of traffic.

 

Isn’t there something in the law that the police can fine a whole group if they catch one infringing the law?

 

Never been one to stay shy of what I think on these matters.

This has been in the offing for at least two years in the UK. It's already been enforced to a far more serious level in parts of Europe, where even standard exhausts can be too loud on V twins and the like. I believe some US cities also have noise equipment?

The thing is, loud exhausts be they on cars or bikes just pisses the public off. The Loud pipes save lives thing is childish bollox. Loud pipes piss everyone off is a better statement.

I have refused to go de-cat on my Multi cos I know the racket it will create will do just that.

If you have small penises mind, then feel free to continue to fit loud cans and attract attention. Maybe a new power ranger suit would help you too, say a nice dayglo colour?

This law will come in, it will go country wide and you will start getting fines. Just like 'speed' camera's have generated fines if you continue on in the vein you are heading.

The ones with the stoopid loud cans on their motors are the ones entirely responsible ..although they will never accept that, it is true. You can never beat 'the man'

 

I’d prioritise cameras to detect people texting and tailgaters. Noise is a nuisance, not a crash risk.

 

We have joint enterprise that can be applied in criminal cases but I assume this would be a civil matter, l could be wrong so someone more knowledgeable can correct me.

 

My bike, M1200S Stripe, has the full termi system and I normally run it without the dB killers. I sounds like a Chinook helicopter when idling. I definitely feel safer when lane splitting - the cars tend to part as I come along (think Moses and the Red Sea). I usually put the dB killers in for the MOT but forgot this year and got an advisory because of the noise. I guess I pissed off the mechanic.

I understand why some people might get annoyed by it, but I enjoy it. It adds a visceral element to the biking experience. I'm choosing my enjoyment over someone else's. I also have a pushbike and use a clothes peg to hold a piece of cardboard so that the spokes hit it as I cycle because I like the brrrrr noise. I'm still that kid.

- Isn't it odd that the government would consider a ban on loud exhausts while inflicting on us the reverse beepers that legislators force lorries and large vans to use. Perceived loudness is greatly affected by frequency and the noise a reversing lorry emits is both loud and piercing. I understand what legislators are trying to achieve by this, but to say that one noise is a good thing for safety and the other is not is a double standard.

 

Too much self in that statement. It's all about what YOU like. That attitude is why the law is acting in multiple countries now to remove the self and personal preference from the situation.

I can guarantee that the loud system pisses off everyone else that is passed, biker or not.

If I see a bike filtering, I move out the way if I can. NOT because of any noise, it's real hard to hear noise coming from hundreds of yards behind, but because I see him/her coming. I would lay claim most cars are the same. If I happen to have a window down though, I do not appreciate being deafened as it passes.

To compare a loud exhaust to a truck reversing bleeper is just ridiculous. The bleeper is there to warn that an object which can crush and kill is coming slowly at you. If you happened to be in one of the many blind spots, it can save your life. The situations are not comparable.

Loud cans save lives, I repeat is a childish statement recited by ignorant users. They have no other coherent argument to put forward.

Loud exhausts are a literally pain for everyone except the selfish sod that uses it. They are banned on trackdays, they are about to be forcibly banned on the roads too. Bring it on.

Having a twat with a loud exhaust fly past at mach 3 is no fun for anyone. Be that from a bike or a car.

 

Well, yes, I was explaining what I like so it was indeed all about what I like. I wasn't trying to justify it, I was just explaining it.

Hmmm, no, you can't. It's just what you believe and you're making the assumption that "everyone else" thinks like you. I know people that think otherwise and so it's good for you that it's not a money back guarantee you're offering.

So, unless I misunderstood, you're saying that noise from a lorry is a valid way for it to alert you to its presence, but noise from a motorbike is not. But surely, if a pedestrian gets in the way of either they will get hurt.

The loud exhaust does make me feel safer, but I agree that it may not be why cars notice my bike and move out the way. It's may be more to do with my headlight or just observant drivers. I don't know one way or the other. But that doesn't change the fact that I feel safer, which is what I said. Safer, but not safe. I'm never relaxed when filtering and am constantly expecting to have to brake suddenly.

Anyway, decrying an argument as childish and calling it baseless is not a coherent counter argument in itself, nor is it the same as proving it false. Not even when you say it twice. Again, as far as I can tell, it's just what you believe. I'm OK with that because what you believe here isn't a bad thing.

If, and this is highly unlikely, I ride past you and you get annoyed by my exhaust then I want you to know that annoying was not my intent. If the law enforces me to use dB killers, I will, but until then, I'm afraid you're just going to have to be annoyed. In the words of the great philosopher, Hancock, "You do you, and I'll do me".

 

National news item tonight.
Following a successful trial, Rubery in the midlands will be fitting permanent noise cameras over the next two months. Fines will be automatic and monies will go to the local council.
You can make a sure fire bet that many many more councils will follow their example when they see the revenue produced.
What is not certain is if the fine will be accompanied with a “vehicle defect rectification notice”, which has a requirement to provide evidence that the defect has been fixed within 14days.

Race exhausts beware.

 

Another reason not to go to the midlands!

 

Bradford, Bristol and Yarmouth have them too.

 

Or drive a noisy car / ride a noisy bike anywhere within 6 months
North Yorkshire will be next

 

I never go into built up areas or cities anymore so being a bumpkin has its pluses.