British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. D573A5C0-9112-4324-9A6C-13F254C743F3.jpeg
     
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  2. Tweet him a map, perhaps he doesn't know there are more countries than just the 27 of the eu?
     
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  3. I didn’t know who he was.

    Only Simon Bruni I could find is a translator of Spanish books to English.

    Is that him ?
     
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  4. Competitive disadvantage in OUR OWN CONTINENT.

    Good thing or bad thing. Take a wild guess... :p
     
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  5. Yep alan, he got the remain bug reaaaaalllllll bad
     
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  6. What’s with the ‘if the UK opts out of this’?

    Wasn’t there a referendum that settled the question of “Should I stay or should I go?”
     
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  7. Would it be fair to say, that one could also tweet

    It’s so basic I don’t know why remainers don’t get it.

    Not all European countries are part of the EU and they trade with others.
     
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  8. Or it could just be another new chapter in the U.K.'s history. We'll always be european, just don't want to be run by the eu project, all the way through that has been the mantra
     
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  9. No, I think that was The Clash :)
     
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  10. True. I’m always getting those two mixed up.

    Didn’t they also say “If I go there will be trouble, if I stay it will be double!”

    How prescient!
     
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  11. I'm pretty sure that is well understood.

    Shall we concentrate on the important bit - instead of the snowflakey offense caused by the mean and nasty Remainers? ;)

    Competetive disadvantage in our own continent. Good thing or bad thing?

    C'mon... Surely you can have a stab at that (ignoring Noobie's cop-out non-answer).
     
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  12. Given the Common Market was sold to us as a trade grouping I can see why you think competitive advantage is important and clearly “being outside the club” has downsides.

    But the European Union is far more than a trade grouping and remaining also has severe downsides.

    I think the Clash got it right.
     
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  13. I’ll have a go :)

    The problem now, I think, is sorting out trade deals, the U.K. should have started doing that 3 years ago but didn’t.

    I do think the basics of a tweet like that are ridiculous - the obvious shouty answer would be

    WE’RE NOT LEAVING EUROPE.

    Will we be disadvantaged, who knows - perhaps we will find out eventually but we shouldn’t be.
     
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  14. So you're agreeing it's a bad thing? Just askin'

    What might those be?

    But we are leaving the trading bloc... surely that's the point?
     
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  15. There's plenty of evidence that we are *already* disadvantaged...
    • Brexit has cost the UK economy £66 billion ($86 billion) so far, according to S&P Global Ratings.
    • Brexit triggered a decline of the pound, an increase in inflation, the erosion of household spending power, a decline in house prices, and weak exports, S&P says.
    • The United Kingdom is now teetering at the brink of a new recession: Economic data published last week show UK GDP growth may have slipped to 0%.

    ** S&P is apolitical - this is very much economically-focused research
     
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  16. What competitive disadvantage, the one in trade - the huge deficit we have with the EU you mean - the one that should put us in a competitive advantage if the fluffies and self serving MP's had got behind the democratic result too. You really should not be arguing these specifics :bucktooth:
     
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  17. So all trade stops :thinkingface: ffs, back to post No 1 for you and have a read through again :rolleyes:
     
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  18. After seeing what the eu has just done to the eu farmers, I'd say we are getting out at the right time.

    Churchill said about europe in 1953, "We have our own dream and our own task. We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed. If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.”

    The U.K. has never been a sheep when it comes to the eu project, we have always approached it with caution. We retained many outs, fought against fuller integration and kept our own currency.

    When divorces are mentioned as it has been, I'm sure some will understand. Sometimes after years of a marriage that is draining, when a clean break happens, it's almost as though a huge weight has been lifted off your shoulders. Often, certainly from my own experiences, you end up being a better friend to your ex,than you were as a partner.
     
  19. If you think that is a tragedy, you’d not be wanting to be Germany or Italy then.
     
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