and yet when I return, comrade stalin is here as well, morning stalin. It was the first ex wife popping around for a cuppa.
As has been pointed out to you dom, first that was from february and Gove admits he is unsure as we have not made deals yet but, as one nation, we are able to have better control over any deals we have because we do not have to compromise in a way we would if we were part of 28 nations. Which leads onto.... What we can be 100% sure of, if we had stayed in the eu, our farmers would have been royally fucked over and have their future's in doubt and beyond a doubt, by the agreement signed by the eu yesterday which will allow countries of a lower standards, flooding the markets at a far lower cost to produce food and then send it to the eu. You don't have to take my word for it, there are plenty of articles in plenty of papers in plenty of the eu countries unhappy with this deal and the way they feel the eu has shot them in the back. due to the common agriculture policy, we had sillyness's such as importing lamb in such numbers from overseas that they were more or less matching what we had sold abroad instead of selling within our own markets. Becoming more independent on home grown items but also reducing the carbon footprint by sending lamb up the road rather than flying it/boating it, from halfway around the world. It is more sustainable if we are more dependent on ourselves with the markets we already produce. We will always have to export and import stuff but we already make an awful lot of stuff we could use ourselves rather than pay a premium for overseas versions. The other point, which will cheer fin up, no not a nude of exi , Norway. Norway didn't seek to be the biggest, it sought to be the best it can as do most of the nordic states. They haven't gotten caught up in the same race the 28 eu countries have, like a mobile phone, I need the latest and the biggest no matter what the cost or the contractural negatives, and the constant race of bigger and not always better. The U.k. has finally woken up to notice we are a great country, we will always be a great country and for far too long we thought we could only do that if we let the eu run us when we didn't need to. You work in business el, so you will know the bargaining ability of a bigger company but also know sometimes companies get so big that they lose track and the size causes so many compromises that splitting it up is the only way to get the best for that company. In that way, the U.K. has not sought to split up the eu but a bit like Norway, we can see the positives of being better by being smaller whilst still able to be a partner on the world market
Maybe so, but as I’ve said already: my point is to debunk the idea that a WTO Brexit would in any way ‘save’ Farming... The Leave Campaign argued that Brexit would enable us to ‘make our own deals’ which could rescue sectors like agriculture and fisheries. Certainly not true of a WTO / No Deal scenario, which is still our thread poll-leader...
We have more chance of protecting British agriculture for it's future role, in a country that no longer has to consider the needs and wants of another 27 in any deal it does. The difference is, when we go into those negotiations it will be with the needs of the U.K. solely on it's mind and we will have the ability to be that focused. Right now, I wouldn't mind betting many of the eu countries farmers would see that as something they wish they had.
New Zealand in 1984, stopped all subsidies to farmers, since then, livestock farms have consolidated, but the number of small horticultural farms and vineyards has risen. I mentioned a friend before who is a farmer when we were talking about slurry in the environmental thread. We were chatting about the lack of new blood coming through. He said many farms were still the same family line farming them through decades and generations but, many are owned now by financial institutions and not the farmer, his one was owned by BP pensions Given the push for less food to be flown/boated in and more to eat what we produce ourselves before we shop overseas, farming could be in the U.K. with no eu mafia to bugger it up, at the forefront of farming ethically
What would the import tariff be on British beef and Lamb to the EU be under WTO, which is the preferred option of the “huge” majority on this forum?
More than a year ago if the fluffies hadn't tried to fuck it up - what proportion of Beef Lamb and Pork are exported Vs Imported?
Yeah, and why does meat and fish cost so bloody much.......???? One plaice, one rock eel (dogfish innit) or skate and one large portion of chips; around here the average cost is about £12.00. Plus whatever happened to New Zealand Lamb?.....used to see that all the time competitively priced. Is it another badly thought out government plot to make us all eat grass......like what cows do? So actually the methane emissions will increase dramatically (if my in-laws are anything to go by.....they have been vegetarian for years).
But surely we would have kept our produce to date if the price would have been paid by British buyers? The reason we export is that Johnny Foreigner will pay more for our goods. Seems to me like we are aiming the gun firmly at our feet.
