British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Ah, you are wrong here.

    I believe that the Scottish should be allowed to decide for themselves what it is they want. They wanted to remain in the UK and I respect that decision.

    Having decided that they want to remain in the UK, I don't see why they should be treated any differently from any other UK region ... but that said, the fact that they win unbelievable concessions from Westminster reflects well on them (and badly on Westminster) and I do not begrudge them their many successes.

    If only West Sussex could bargain as hard and as well as the Wildlings North of the Wall do.

    My disdain for Sturgeon is nuanced and I doubt you will understand it but here goes.
    I believe she rings the FREEDOM!! bell to drum up support for herself and to secure ever greater privileges and concessions from Westminster ... but I cannot believe she would accept an affirmative Independence vote with anything other than utter horror. She strikes me as the type that likes the glory of being FM, but loves the Get Out Of Jail Card of it's all Westminster's fault even more so. She enjoys the privileges of rank but sidesteps the responsibilities.

    That is my dislike for Sturgeon, in a nutshell - she is dishonest and the Scottish deserve better than her.
     
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  2. Work harder or smarter?
     
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  3. how to spot a twitter troll. ^^.
    749. your being played. the give away word was, "nuanced".
    all he knows about the word on the street comes from the misserable sod he rented a room from on the south coast. question is, was the land lord that misserable befofe the twisted arsehole moved in?.
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    but, chance are, he knows more about scottish politics, the make up of the Yes Mouvement, scottish soverenty and the laws, conventions ect that hold the uk togeather, and why we are where we are than he lets on.
    and thats just plain odd.
     
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  4. Sit's looking at the door waiting for duke, the authority on all things Jaguar Land Rover but mostly for the doom and gloom, waiting for him to confirm JLR are to use their UK plants to build the new electric models for their range of cars.
     
  5. who probably employ less than the hospitalty trade in argyll alone.
     
  6. [​IMG]
     
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  7. I think dukes got a red one
     
  8. "The heady drama when Britain and the EU agreed on a series of Brexit extensions earlier this year is hard to forget. But amidst the chaos, it’s worth asking: did Britain accidentally leave the EU on 1 June? A badly-drafted EU law – which also challenges the idea of EU competence – seems to suggest so. So how did this apparent blunder happen? And why has no one noticed?

    When Article 50 timed out on 29 March 2019, the UK and the EU agreed to extend to 12 April. When an extension is made it has to be done in both EU law and UK law. On that occasion, it was: both sides managed to pass proper laws. The EU one is here.

    As we know, another extension was then sought, and that’s where the trouble begins. The UK again drafted our extension properly. It did so by simply moving the deadline in the Act that says we leave to 31 October. But that’s not what the EU did.

    Instead, the EU passed this. The ‘Articles’ are the bit which are actually law. The 14 paragraphs under “whereas” are just explanation. So note Article 2 on the third and final page of the document (no one else seems to have). Here is what it says:


    “This decision shall cease to apply on 31 May 2019 in the event that the United Kingdom has not held elections to the European Parliament in accordance with applicable Union law and has not ratified the Withdrawal Agreement by 22 May 2019.”

    The vital words are in bold here, but not (sadly) in the original. Have we ratified the Withdrawal Agreement? Nope. That means that this second extension of time ceased to apply, as it says, on the 31 May. So according to EU law, we’ve gone. We’ve been outside the EU, without a WA or an Free Trade Agreement, for a whole month and we’re still not all dead yet. Remarkable".



    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/...QFpiJCnND_QnVIvuLlIJW3JSFTmbczcW-_8l-3M-hXddc
     
  9. Is ‘and’ the crucial word in this. The decision ceases to apply if A and B.
    We did A, but not B, so surely the decision still applies?
     
  10. Boris is likely to win but if he is consistent, he is sometimes, he will follow his path of when he was London Mayor and appoint a good team around him, I wonder if he would bring in Gove and as the foreign minister?

    As to Brexit, With JLR's announcement today, you do have to wonder , has JLR's continual doom and gloom in seeking remain in the way it did, if it was little more than getting it's own way by using silly extreme stories?
     
  11. A SCOTTISH businessman has vowed to hand out 1000 free milkshakes at his restaurants as Tory leadership hopefuls visit the city for party hustings.

    Boris Johnson and Jeremy Hunt are visiting Perth today for the event, which will take place in the city’s Concert Hall.

    Owner of nearby restaurants Gringo’s and the Venue, Frank Burger-Seed, has now pledged to distribute 1000 milkshakes ahead of the hustings.

    “To celebrate Boris Johnson coming to Perth, Gringo’s Bar and Restaurant along with The Venue will be handing out free milkshakes throughout the day,” a statement from the restaurants said. “Remember, please drink responsibly.”
     
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  12. I'm working on 5 of them :eyes:
     
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  13. Blimey fin, that's worth a page in history alone, Scotsman gives away free drinks, fandabidozee :D
     
  14. only for a good cause mind.
     
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  15. loves a wee dity me.
    Hush little Tory don’t say a word, Scotland’s gonna reject the Brexit turd,
    and when that turd makes Ruthie boak, Scotland’s gonna see the UK’s a joke,
    and when that joke is a laughing stock, Scotland’s gonna look to the EU bloc,
    and when that bloc makes Boris plead, Scotland’s gonna vote and it will secede,
    and when Scotland secedes and says goodbye, poor little Tory’s gonna cry.
    :D
     
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  16. No spelling mistakes, where did you copy that from?:D

    It's okay, found it
     
  17. aww, you made me cwy and cwy and cwy. :(
    mostly cos yer sick.
     
  18. Don't cry fin, we'll take care of you, it's our way :heart:
     
  19. you never did say who you ment when you say "We".
     
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