I’m not sure they have really, politicians still seem to work in the the way they always have. The government would probably like a second Eu ref with remain and don’t leave as the questions - but surely that would just cause more problems.
Yes, I worded that wrong. Politicians seem determined to not leave the Eu, particularly without a deal. If they are that sure that it’s the right thing for the country and they can explain to the electorate why not have a second referendum.
Allan, i am trying to get oot on da bike man. i got a big run planned for today, here to tarbert, ferry to portavadie to dunoon,ferry to gourock to largs to kilmacolm to where the fancy takes me. scortchio. so, in short, ferk knows what is going on in their minds for sure. the say power corrupts, but its not power, its the fear of losing power that can corrupt. for a tory and tbh, the big backers of labour, they can sense absolute power is just around the corner, but they can also sense they might lose it all, and these people dont give up power easily. mostly because they are corrupt. and quite frankly, i just dont give a damn. i is oot o here. in every sense.
Yea, I need to get my bike back on the road - can’t keep using the wife’s. Fair enough, I think I’d agree. Enjoy the ride
On this, you would have to look at how the snp scottish government have behaved with the U.K. and a similar result I would say though, that list of polls shown, if you keep asking the same 1,023-1,200 paid people(and that is how many the majority of polls involve) as a guarranty of how a nation of 5.4 million feel then you won't be surprised why polls fail and often.
I was thinking more of the people, and whether things have changed now, probably mainly due to the internet, and what would need to be done to ensure that future referendums are acted upon
It's been mentioned before that some are happy with a very low majority when it suits them. In the whole of the U.K. there are several mp's who were elected to parliament who gained a very low majority, the lowest is just 2 votes, yep an snp mp. The snp never have a problem with very small majorities when it suits their own side We've seen on a scottish indi 1 referendum, the snp refused to accept the voice of the scottish people and are now fighting for indi 2. We saw with Brexit, in the traditional way, we had a majority, all sides who took part knew only one side would win and those who were qualified to vote, mostly did and yet some have spent 3 years fighting a result they lost So we seem to have no issue with normal votes being acted upon, no matter how small the majority, even as low as just 2 votes, but some seem to have a problem with referendums where the losing side refuses to accept the democratic votes
I see what you mean. But if the Eu ref had been say 40% leave 60% remain do you think UKIP would have said fair enough the people don’t want to leave and disbanded ? Personally I think if that had been the result it would have been forgotten about by now. Moving forward though, what is the answer to avoid all this ?
Honestly? Yes. they waited 40 years for another chance to vote , the snp waited 2 months. The question should be, why do politicians in referendums, ask us to give them a direction, then some ignore it when we do? if it is referendums themselves that need the questions asked I would say, should we have them if they are going to be ignored and if we are to honour them, then mp's should be legally made to accept them and enable them
The Euro sceptics did effectively wait 40 years yes, the remoaners waited about 5 minutes after the Eu ref didn’t they. Another ref for either is understandable if things have changed, for example the U.K. leaving the Eu has an affect on Scotland and justifies a second indi ref, in my opinion. To move forward properly I believe referendums should be legally binding and only re run if there are genuine reasons to.
bollox. why did farage stand for election again? i also think you meant 22months rather than two. the reason being, they put it in their manifesto, that should there be a significant change in curcumstances... they where elected on that manifesto to govern, there is a majrity in holyrood for running another reff. suck it up bud.
It was a U.K. vote and was advertised clearly as such. Leaving will see quite a bit of change as we start to take back the running of our own countries runnings and doings so what ever level of leave we have, all parts of the U.K. will be effected and not always in the doom and gloom side some in the remain suggest. On the basis of leave was a U.K. vote then your suggestion would mean we all have another vote and this becomes a second referendum which politically and democratically is not possible without an implosion in our democratic structures You would have to look at the most recent referendums to guide on their effectiveness. In the actual elections we vote then act. In referendums and the most recent ones, on both occassion's, the losing sides have refused to accept and enact the majority democratic votes wishes and have actively sought to overturn them. On that basis, elections we work okay on, On referendums, the losing sides have shown some who take part and lose the vote, are unable to be trusted
