also from that article: Shadow Treasury minister Clive Lewis said if a snap election was called, Labour would try to renegotiate the Brexit deal agreed by Theresa May, despite saying it "very much looks like" Labour is now the party of Remain. He told the BBC's Politics Live: "If we win that general election, we will come into power, and if we can renegotiate that deal - a Labour deal - we will because that's what people asked for." But asked if he would campaign for his own party's deal in a referendum, he said: "No, I wouldn't." I particularly like "If we win that general election, we will come into power" Personally I think Labour need to be much clearer about everything.
https://labour.org.uk/manifesto/transforming-britain-and-europe/ It's simple, they are going to transform Britain and Europe, not sure where that leaves NI.
You're thinking of Transformers, that's different but probably more entertaining (to the many, not the few).
I’m in a pub in N Wales & BJ & the Hunt are on ITV having a debate. Seriously, WGAF? Only 120,000 or so people can decide. How come these 2 get so much prime time air time? We all know BJ will be selected and we all know that it matters not a jot what they say they’ll do because more likely than not they won’t.
Blimey, still going? I really hope that when BJ is PM and with new leaders being readied to take over steering the EU ship; the prospect of a rather chaotic departure will focus minds in Brussels, Dublin and London. A small concession on the backstop could do it and surely the alternative will make a pragmatic 11th hour EU fudge happen. An interesting revelation from Ireland today as reported on Guido: The Irish Government has published a document this afternoon on the latest state of their Brexit planning. If there is no deal, they say that various checks on UK imports will be necessary “to preserve Ireland’s full participation in the Single Market and Customs Union”, but – surprise, surprise – these checks don’t need to happen at the border itself. Confirming what everybody knew at the very start of the negotiations before the issue was deliberately blown out of all proportion… Gives Ireland and the EU a pretty simple choice: agree a deal with these sorts of alternative arrangements in place of the backstop – or have no deal and have to put the arrangements in place anyway, with no cash from the UK and all the other complications it will bring. Not exactly a tricky decision…
Pretty much what has been said all along. The backstop was being used as was the republic, as the last attempt to stop brexit and as some have said, once the eu realises that card has been played and failed, it will lose it's importance in events as it becomes a dud card Imagine you are the republic, your neighbour wants to use the legal opt out clause to leave the eu. It will in the short term, make things difficult for both sides but the eu more and the republic even more. The eu tells you, hold fast, we've got your back. Emotive blackmail is attempted using the gfa knowing the U.K. will not and continues to say, there will be no hard border on the U.K. side and as far as the U.K. is concerened, the Good Friday Agreement is more important than any eu trade rules. Leo does the eu's bidding and continues with the false claim but then within the last 10 days, the eu signs a farming deal with south america which will flood the european food market with beef and poultry, hitting France and Ireland the hardest, varadkar tentively admits if there is going to be a hard border it will be through the eu demanding it and on the republics side of the border and then the eu withold £5.6 million in aid to Irish fishermen. Varadkar was used by barnier and junker and he only has himself to blame.
He played along rather than being used and now he/we and Irish cattle farmers have been royally shafted. If nothing else, what the EU have done in signing that deal is a damn good example why the UK should leave.
within the last 10 days, the eu signs a farming deal with south america which will flood the european food market with beef and poultry, . then some dumb ass PM approves a similar trade deal, but has to be absorbed by 60mill instead of half a bill.
Just a question as I'm not sure yet Yesterday, Westminster voted by some majority, to legalise abortion and same sex marriage for Northern Ireland where previously they had said it was a Northern Irish devolved government and people to decide. There was a caveat. They said it would meet the second reading to become law and would be made into law, if the country is unable to re-establish its own devolved government by October 21. Firstly, is it being used just to get the devolved government back in the same building even though they know, sinn fien or any party could simply not turn up and so it becomes law anyway or is it their intent to push it through no matter what? Secondly, those who are proposing this bill in the commons are ardent remainers. Has the cut off date of the 21st of October, just 10 days before the legal we leave the eu, been chosen for a tactic to block leaving?
The current crop of Labour MP's have really managed to pull off something quite remarkable in that they are, without any shadow of doubt, the most ambiguous, non committal, directionless and inept bunch of Politicians in the current crap crop of Politicians we have available. It really is quite an amazing feat they're somehow managing to be the worst, when in fact they should have been miles ahead by now. Ive just watched that remarkably evasive speaker Keir Starmer on Sky News, he managed to speak at length while not once pinning colours to a mast for his party or his leader, and seemed to genuinely think such a vague position was 'normal' and acceptable to Labour supporters. Wow...... Erm.... WOW Look i get that people want to support other parties than the Tories, and in some cases almost anyone else would do, although I feel thats a somewhat blinkered approach. But i seriously cannot understand why anyone, no matter their loathing for the Tories, would continue to say they're a Labour supporter when its blindingly obvious that even Labour do not know which direction they're heading in or have any intention of making a decisive decision on it. You would have to be an absolute fool to support Corbyn and his current crop of selected heads, they're simply unsupportable as from what i can gather they stand for everything, anything, and nothing all in one broad brushstroke. I just don't get that mindset
I genuinely have no idea I'm afraid. Surely to christ labour have someone else they can line up to lead the party, other than that desperate Watson fella
