Perhaps not a union in the same way. We will have to agree to disagree maybe ? The UK may well have the same problem, in that if it doesn't 'listen' to Scotland more then Scotland will vote for independence. Not sure about the EU being the same with respect to pumping public money into private hands, but it is a 'project' playing the big man around the globe.
It's more of a case of who are you actually listening to when it comes to Scotland Do you listen to the majority of Scots who voted in the 2014 indi 1 vote? Those interested in democracy have, the snp keep refusing to listen to those Scots and want another go because they don't like that result Do you listen to the Scots of which more voted to leave the eu than voted for the snp in the 2017 general election? The snp aren't listening to those Scots either Do you listen to the Scots when the snp tried to make the 2017 general election about indi 2 and the Scots kicked out a third of snp politicians from westminster, the snp aren't listening to those Scots either So who are the snp/Scottish government actually listening too then in Scotland about independence? Polls where on average only 1,200 people take part in the poll and even then within those polls, they struggle to get close to 50% of that poll for indi. So there you have it, the snp seem to listen to 600 people in a poll for indi vote whilst ignoring millions who are not even asking for indi 2 And that is why Scotlands wish for indi, is little more than the snp's wish for indi and as far as the rest of Scotland and Scots are concerened in the eyes of the snp, they can go and fuck themselves, votes or no votes. That's probably the key difference between the U.K. leaving the eu and the snp wanting to leave the U.K.
I've actually see, McNairs blogs before and read them.. for the too lazy to look http://www.stephenmcnair.uk/index.php/my-blog/ He does however make the classic remainer mystic of forgetting, we do NOT need to be a member of the eu project or commission to be or feel european.
But he's also clever enough to understand that you can't have the benefits of membership without being a member of the club.
the same scots that voted IN an indi magority at holyrood on a manifesto stating in the event of being taken out of the EU? where the other partys, in particulat the torys only policy was "no to another reff" who came a distant seconed?. the same scots that returned a big magority of MP's who did not make it about indi. where as the torys came a distant second campeigning solely on "no to another reff". they did not make it about indi. most think that was thee misake they made. they lost 500k votes. only 40k went to other partys. 460,000 didnt bother to vote because they didnt run on another indi vote. they had and still have that madate already. and wil do up untill june 2021. the polls. and the results. the latest being being the outright kicking ruth and may got up here by campeigning on "no to another reff" by the SNP at the last EU election. what else can you go on?
Voting to Leave is fine by me; those who did so made their choice democratically just like I did. What concerns me is the lack of understanding of what everyone was voting for, and the (mis)information that was given before, during and after that vote, by both sides.
Democracy means people voting for stuff, whether they understand what they are voting for or not. There is no requirement to be "informed" or "savvy" when one votes. If you believe that only people "in full possession of the facts" should have a vote, you need to come up with another system. Parliamentary Democracy is a half-way house between people voting for what they want and being told what they want. It's a middle-ground between democracy and authoritarianism and it is very much skewed towards the "being told what you want" end of the scale, but at least you get to vote for who it is that tells you what to do. Some folk feel that referenda (other than advisory ballots, possibly) have no place in a Parliamentary Democracy. This may be true, as referenda represent further hybridisation of an already hybrid system. If you accept that Parliamentary Democracy is the best we can come up with, you most likely believe there should not be referenda where the Government is obliged - either legally or morally (as with the 2016 EU Ref) - to act upon the result. If the past three years has taught me anything, it's that I'd rather there more referenda and less Parliament. YMMV.
That's all lovely, and I completely agree with you. I never typed anything to suggest that I didn't. But I still think that for such a massive change, it would be nice if it had been done on the facts and not as an emotive vote.
By "we" you mean "you". Not everyone voted to leave, regardless of which side of the fence the majority landed.
