British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Corbyn is a spent force, Labour are now so tainted even young people are turning away and I think many of them realised why labour targeted university towns when promising to do away with uni fee's, now realising you can promise the world when in opposition.

    Yesterday McDonnell appeared to support Iran straight way rather than the U.K.. The cabal that is Corbyn, McDonnell, thornberry, et al are unelectable. to mostly everyone apart from die hard 1972 labourites who suddenly have learnt the word misogyny :D

    Youngsters do not like bullies and in Labours case over Jews, they see a massive bully. The kids are more in tune with people like Tom Watson, Jess Phillips, Angela Rayner etc.
     
  2. Not really, Corbyn as I've said many times before is extremely polarising, possibly more so than Boris.

    Corbyn 'bought' the student vote and increased membership count by doing nothing more than suggesting he'd write of their debt, a ranty stage visit later at Glasto and the labour membership base grew again, but heres the thing, membership isn't the same as voters. Labour have always done well with the working class, and more specifically for those north of the M25, but no more.

    He's just so vague and inconsistent its worlds apart from the more historical Labour front men of saying it how it is. The current Labour 1st team are complete and utter garbage, Mcdonnel, Abbot, Starmer, that just shows he can't even surround himself with competence either.

    He is however, without question, passionate.

    But that doesn't make him a leader, and i think that has become more and more apparent, even to the great unwashed and uneducated (people can decide whether that fits them or not)

    People used to be proud to be Labour, they'd be far more vocal about their voting intentions than a Tory voter, but i sincerely believe thats gone under this leadership. They need to drop Corbyn and quickly, the longer they leave it the more Lib Dem and Brexit Party will chip away.
     
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  3. That’s a much better version of what I meant :)
    Stop being so vague being the main issue, to me anyway.
     
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  4. That will be me i guess, shame somebody had that thread pulled yesterday , i suppose admin had there reasons ? You really are the font of all knowledge did you know that ?
     
  5. That in itself has shown him up for what he is in my view. When it comes down to it, he (and people in the background pulling strings) simply want power, in whichever way that comes and by doing whatever it takes , or hiding whatever they need to get it.

    Consider this;

    He has always been known to have a rant and say whats on his chest, wearing his heart on his sleeve if you will whether that was for better or worse (and he's dug himself some massive holes in the past)

    Yet now, when it was clear and concise messaging he needed to deliver, he's faltered, why?

    Because what he truly wants to say simply isn't popular and won't float.
    So for once in his life he's tried to stay quiet and probably been advised to by 'others'. He's become more untrustworthy by the day, and as his entire appeal was built on his open honesty, he's now absolutely fucked it.
     
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  6. He did appear, at first, to be a ‘breath of fresh air’ but you’re right, he has lost that appeal.
     
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  7. You obviously see him in a totally different light than me bud, and according to you and most contributors on here he has "fucked it ".
    A ranting Buffon it is then, Goat help us.
     
  8. How do you see him ?
     
  9. People are not expecting any prime minister to run down the street in union jack boxer shorts (although if any one had Boris probably has) but given his long history, they do not want to elect a man as prime minister who has 40 years of no love for queen or country.

    I'm rather hoping Boris act's quick with his cabinet elections, gets a good team starting strong and get brexit done and dusted, he's got 2 and a half years effectively to break the back of it and see most of it done.
     
  10. I see Philip Hammond has been spotted putting suitcases into his ministerial car in the last few days. :eyes:

    So he knows he's going to get sacked, but he'll resign before pushed and make it out to be his decision. :laughing:

    [​IMG]
     
  11. It's a theme that is repeated over and over and over again, I am surprised that it appears not to be common knowledge:

    Leftists desire power and will do anything to obtain it.

    You can speculate upon why that is but the answer for each Lefty will lie somewhere on this axis:

    Fervent/sincere/unpopular belief in radical ideas that will "improve the lot of the human race"
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    Naked lust for power and prestige for its own sake
     
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  12. What's wrong with having no time for the monarchy and not liking the way your country has become ?Your use of the word "love" is misplaced, try harder .
     
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  13. Your a trotskite, the word love means something different in russian, or iranian, or palestinian or.....
     
  14. Capitalism is doing OK for the human race, NOT.
     
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  15. You're a fence sitting Thatcherite, who probably has never had love or given love in your life..
     
  16. True, no one ever gave me Moa Tse Tungs little red book or Karl Marxs Das Kapital to read as a child or use as a way of life when older.

    Neither seem to be seen as a plus however, by the majority of people for a prime minister of the U.K.
     
  17. True Capitalism has never been tried.

    : o D

    Although to be fair, under a pretty badly corrupted capitalist system - global poverty has shrunk, newborn mortality rates have dropped, many formerly lethal diseases are curable/survivable, material standards of living have risen and ... those countries where capitalism, rather than communism, has taken root have mostly not slaughtered millions of their own citizens.
    Or bankrupted the nation to the point where no amount of oil wealth can prevent citizens fleeing to other countries, eating their pets, etc.

    You may now explain that socialism is not capitalism. After that, please explain that a new born baby is not a full grown person and why, in a gravity environment, dropping a fresh egg to the floor doesn't lead a mess.
     
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  18. I've never got the anti-monarchy point of view. Why do you have no time for the Queen, who is really "the monarchy". You can talk about some of the royals further down the food chain and I get that, but I think on balance they are a good thing.
     
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