British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Hard Times

    WRITTEN BY: STEPHEN FOSTER
    Let us pause in life's pleasures and count its many tears
    While we all sup sorrow with the poor.
    There's a song that will linger forever in our ears,
    Oh, hard times, come again no more.
    'Tis the song, the sigh of the weary.
    Hard times, hard times, come again no more.
    Many days you have lingered all around my cabin door.
    Oh, hard times, come again no more.

    While we seek mirth and beauty and music light and gay.
    There are frail forms fainting at the door.
    Though their voices are silent, their pleading looks will say.
    Oh, hard times, come again no more.
    'Tis the song, the sigh of the weary.
    Hard times, hard times, come again no more.
    Many days you have lingered all around my cabin door.
    Oh, hard times, come again no more.

    There's pale drooping maiden who foils her life away
    With a worn out heart, whose better days are o'er.
    Though her voice it would be merry, 'tis sighing all the day,
    Oh, hard times, come again no more.
    'Tis the song, the sigh of the weary.
    Hard times, hard times, come again no more.
    Many days you have lingered all around my cabin door.
    Oh, hard times, come again no more.

    'Tis the song, the sigh of the weary.
    Hard times, hard times, come again no more.
    Many days you have lingered all around my cabin door.
    Oh, hard times, come again no more.
     
  2. I doubt he wrote that on his tablet given it was written in 1854 and in the usa
     
  3. Just caught a wee snippet of Sky News. Really good stuff, so it was.

    A presenter was referring to Nicola Sturgeon "rubbing her hands with glee" at the thought of a BoJo-inspired WTO Brexit (Sky referred to this as a "No Deal" Brexit") as this would work to strengthen the Scottish FM's hand in any future Scottish Independence referendum.

    This is perfectly logical ... if you accept the premise that a WTO exit from the EU is a disaster for the UK.

    The framing of Brexit by the MSM is based upon interlocking assumptions, and these assumptions are always pointed in the same direction. The assumptions form the basis of further assumptions and are represented as explicit, or implicit, fact. Thus, Brexit is bad, minimising or stopping Brexit mitigates the bad, Scotland will leave the UK because Brexit is bad, Brexit is doubly bad now because Scotland will leave the UK ...

    This is why British propaganda is the envy of the World and explains how it can be so effective in selling the Establishment line. An assumption is presented as fact, further assumptions are made that are logical extensions and also reinforce the original assumption. Impressive. And because there is never, ever, any serious discussion on the initial premise, there is barely a point when the casual observer is inspired to ask, "Uh, hang on a sec?".
     
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  4. I caught about 10 seconds, on the hour, of the main hadline being a visit by the PM to Scotland. They had managed to make it a story about protest and how Scots weren't given a say on who the new PM would be. They even managed to find 2 women doing their shopping who stated that "They didn't like Boris", one even called him "a clown"

    It was impressive journalism indeed by Sky. I can't tell you how it progressed as I turned it off after said 10 seconds.
     
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    That’s what people think.

    Are you surprised? He has a long history of being Anti Scottish

    But its not just Scotland and Johnson is it?

    The latest from psycho Patel

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inew...exit-leo-varadkar-home-secretary-warning/amp/
     
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  6. you havent learned yer lesson have you loz? i think most accept you type well written pish purely to get a reaction. take yer AltRight arguments and debating style and move along sunshine. nobody is listening.
     
  7. I'm not sure if that's true or not, I've never seen it before.

    But for argument sake, just say it is and all of the caveats on that mock up are true.
    • It wasn't written by him, it was written by someone called James Michie (although in very small text)
    • He published it as part of his job as editor of The Spectator
    • I can't see anywhere where it's said it's Boris's view or he's "Anti Scottish"
    • Is everything published the view of an editor or are they publishing a wide range of views or stimulating debate?
    • It's made to look like the view of Boris on that mock up by the Scottish Yes campaign from what I can gather (A big Yes logo, Union Flag, Boris pointing agressively to make it look like he said it, the words "Boris Johnson" made bigger than anu other type on it.
    Yet you suck it all up @749er You are what the Yes campaign and the SNP feed on.
     
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  8. yip. kinda like brexiteers.
    but with a lot more meat on the bone.
     
  9. His job as editor is decide what goes in and what doesn’t. He published it. You will remember it was Rebekah Brooke’s and Coulsden who were up in court for what the Sun and News of the World published. He went to jail because he was responsible. Ergo Johnson is responsible.

    Have a couple more quotes.



    Or was that an actor?

    Or how about this

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....hould-not-become-prime-minister-1-4948629/amp

    Where he declared that

    “government by a Scot is just not conceivable in the current constitutional context”, with the Tory MP claiming Gordon Brown suffered from “a personal political disability” as he represented a constituency north of the Border.

    None of the above are quotes by the SNP or YES. These are what he has said and is happy to publish.

    Maybe you could try taking the blinkers off?
     
  10. I've mentioned this before in the snp government being like the pakistani one over obama

    Nic knows she won't ask for indi 2 in case it fails and current numbers suggest it might, but as long as she scares enough in westminster then the wee gobshite will keep using that to keep getting more and more

    Whilst at the same time having trips to the eu saying, I'll get Scotland to leave the U.K., tell scots it's to be independent and then we will give it away to you, the eu

    She is buttering her bread on both sides which as varadkar is finding out, is a very dangerous game to play.
     
  11. more and more? or as little as the UK gov can get away with?. warra pity the areas outwith the S/E dont have representativs beholden to partys that need the approval of essex.
     
  12. Any translators available? :D
     
  13. I've got no problem with him saying that as Mayor of London, and I live almost as far away from London as it's possible to get without living in Scotland. He was fighting for London, so fair play. The problem is you use that in the context that he's anti-Scottish now, which he clearly isn't.

    As for his comment about a Scot being PM. Published by The Scotsman in 2018 and regurgitated from a piece prior to the 2005, General Election 13 years earlier refering to Gordon Brown, continued devolution and the campaign for independence. You actually quoted "government by a Scot is just not conceivable in the current constitutional context” You have to say that he had a point in saying any possible Scottish PM could be compromised. The fact The Scotsman uses the headline "Scots should not become Prime Minister" in 2018 Where as Boris said "The current climate" in 2005 means they are manipulating you, Did you actually read and understand it? you can't see it, you see what you want to see and should "try taking the blinkers off". For what it's worth, any MP of the current government, no matter what their nationality of location of their constiuency seat, should be allowed to be PM.

    You lap up all of the Anti-Scottish diatribe spouted by those with a vested interest in having people believe this to be the case without actually looking past the headlines. You've posted a few examples on here today. The actual case is that there is a very strong anti-English, "them and us" line coming from your politicians and MSM every day, you don't see it, you just buy into it.............Yep, you definitely need to take the blinkers off.
     
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  14. he wasnt campaigning for london. he was campaigning for the scottish tax offices to be moved from strathclyde to london. after the tory party had just promised not to move the offices to london. they moved the ofices to london anyhoo once they the No vote.
     
  15. ........as Mayor of London.
     
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  16. yip and the tory gov gave the scottish tax jobs to london. why? its deffo not because they need our votes to secure the next election. bojo is still representing the same party and the same people that need to be pleased when he was the tory mayor of london.
     
  17. I did read the article.

    I am not aware of there being any plans to change to current constitutional arrangement. Perhaps if he was campaigning for an English parliament then that’s fine. He wasn’t.

    Boris also had a rant at Brown becoming PM without being elected as PM. Yet he was happy to accept it himself

    Add in

    Letterboxes
    Picanninis
    Having the education to quote Kipling but not the intelligence not to....

    Anything else ?

    Shall I list some more?

    Note the use of “Scottish” in the title of that poem.
     
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  18. I was watching the news the other day and they were talking about the High speed line between Manchester and Leeds.

    They quoted the increase in expenditure for London and the North of England. If they had quoted what was spent per head, the North would have gone mental.

    Last I looked it was over £6000 per head for London. Then there are all those government departments and the money spent on the military along the M3/M4 corridor and you wonder who it is that’s really subsidised. It’s me. I can’t believe I can get 4 buses over 18 minutes on a Sunday evening.
     
  19. He wasn’t Mayor, he was a mayoral candidate
     
  20. and its near £250per head in the N/E avarage it out accross the UK, And it appears scotland gets more. as pehaps it should anyhoo considering what it costs to deliver services in a country like ours due to geography and population
     
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