My 2014 899 has been running perfectly and after a couple of weeks of use I washed it today, and decided to use the pressure washer instead of just using the hose as I normally do. Unfortunately when I try and start it, I get an engine 'ERR' code and it will just about start on one cyclinder(rear) and won't rev. Any ideas as to what to check other than a) leave it overnight, b) ring the dealer if it still doesnt work ? Did some googling for the 'ENG ERR' and got the following list of possibilities. The ENG. error code shown in the 2nd picture is thrown by the ECU for a variety of malfunctions: 1. ECU control unit malfunction 2. TPS malfunction 3. Throttle Motor or Relay malfunction 4. Pressure sensor malfunction 5. Engine coolant temperature sensor malfunction 6. Various air sensor malfunctions 7. Various malfunctions in the injection system 8. Engine RPM sensor malfunction 9. Lamda sensor malfunction 10. Vehicle starting relay malfunction 11. QS malfunction Any (constructive) ideas ? RBW.
Have used garden hose and hand pump pressurised bottle to spray my 899 a few times with no problems. Have a pet dryer to blow water off discs but take care not to force water around switch gear. No probs yet. Probably just jinxed it now.
as Paul said, if you don't want to start unplugging connectors on a moisture hunt yet then hopefully will cure itself, it's a mild night which can only help. If still no joy tomorrow morning I'd be tempted to wheel it into the sunlight, good weather almost guaranteed.
Does the 899 have an inertial ECU under the seat? If so, the big connector to that item is prone to moisture ingress after pressure washing.
there are probably threads on here already re: dielectric/neutral ph connector grease/lubricant, I have a jar of old spec vaseline which will probably see me out it's a must-have for 1000DS looms/connectors :- https://support.newgatesimms.com/choosing-a-connector-lubricant/ https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dielectr...017327&hash=item28386bbd32:g:RjAAAOSwy5Baxo1K https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GS-200g-...908361&hash=item28386a69cf:g:g1AAAOSwPWRZTTh~
Phew, left it to sunbathe for a couple of hours this morning with the seat off and all seems fine on first startup . RBW.
There's the root cause identified ..... and the problem solved .... Happy Days I've always thought that bikes and pressure washers were a bad mix , and I thought it again as soon as I saw the title of this thread .... All that gritty high pressure back splatter , going who knows where ? Cables , bearing seals , electrics , fork seals ? .... Anyway .... good that you got mobile again .... and just using sunshine ? Enjoy !
I spoke to soon.... Went out this morning for a local ride, started fine, seemed a bit 'fluffy' at low revs so was about to get on a dual carraigeway to give it a blast and the engine died and the error was back. It will just about start on the front cylinder only, but no throttle inputs recognised. I was close to a Harvester, so pushed it to their car-park, got a cold lemonade and rang the AA. Despite the AA man stripping the bike down to check all electrical connections there was no water ingress visible whatsoever. Plugs and all electrical connections seemed dry. AA man thinks its a coil failed (?), thinks the washing may be a co-incidence. (It's not the first time its been jet washed). Recovered back home, bike in the garage and now Im going to watch the MotoGP. RBW.
Bummer. My 899 conked out going down gears from 60 to 40mph on a single carriageway. Wasn’t washed before I started my trip. Coasted to a stop, switched bike off. Turned it back on (I’m not in IT by the way) and away I went. Not done it since. Will see in October if it threw up an error code!
Now my joke seems out of place, hope its sorted nice & quick. Shitter for this wonderful bank holiday weekend weather'
Aaarrgghhh ! Just been in the garage and the error had cleared again and it starts normally. Im now convinced something is on its way out, just need to figure what. (32k miles, so its had a relatively busy life). On the plus side, it’s very clean now . RBW.
As someone may have said, start with the basics. Plug, connections, stuff that can easily be swapped to be tested.
And just exactly how will that help if everything is working ? I need a component to fail properly, not intermittently. RBW.
It eliminates the easy stuff. The connections are either fixed correctly or not. Stuff like plugs can break down with heat/revs. PITA but may be cheaper than a dealer. I don’t know the 899 but can you get access to the codes? Older bikes you could, so you could normally nail it from that. Good luck
Do you have diagnostic software at your disposal? If the bike threw an error code, diagnostic software (such as MelcoDiag) should list the specific item which caused the code. That might provide a good starting point. Water that infiltrates the airbox connector can cause the symptoms described. Even if there is no sign of water upon inspection, if water entered the area previously, the contacts may have been compromised (corroded) leading to intermittent operation of the vehicle, or a complete failure. The BBS (mentioned earlier) is know to be susceptible to water infiltration as well. The cause of moisture found on the BBS connector is a bit more elusive. Certainly, you could flood the area with a hose, but even when the bike hasn't been washed, it's not uncommon to see small water droplets (condensation the size of a pin head) on the BBS connector when opened. Heat transferred from the vertical cylinder to the subframe during operation... the cooling, heating, cooling, etc., may cause condensation to form at this location. High humidity may also be a contributing factor. Find a suitable electrical contact cleaner and clean all suspect connectors. WD-40 offers a contact cleaner that works well.
Unfortunately I dont have any diagnostic software, but I can always get it to the dealer (I'll be googling diagnostic software later to see if there is something I could buy that doesnt cost an arm and a leg). I've had a look at the BBS connector after a short test ride today and given it a wipe, but ut all looks ok. I may also replace a couple of the relays on the offside of the bike as one of them looked a little past its best (some dry residue on the connector). Thanks for the input ! RBW.
Try MelcoDiag. It's free to download. You only have to purchase the two cables necessary to get it up and running. The software will display all error codes stored in the BBS. As mentioned previously, and also a possibility when an error code such as you described is displayed, a problem with a TPS or an ETV motor/relay can result in symptoms as you described, which may also inhibit operation of the APS (i.e. the throttle will not respond). MelcoDiag, properly installed, will work on any Panigale equipped with a Mitsubishi ECU.
