British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. You gotta agree that is funny :D
     
  2. hmm.
    The former minister walked across the Commons chamber to sit with Jo Swinson’s party, later tweeting a statement explaining he feels the party had been "infected" by populism and English nationalism.
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  3. Tokenism it seems, even reaches those in power, who knew :D
     
  4. Isn’t it exciting :blush:
     
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  5. Thank fuck he went to the libtards then because according to the figures, he knows jack shit let alone what countries are in the U.K.
    53.4% of England voted to leave
    44.2% of Northern Ireland voted to leave and even the troublesome lot
    38% of Scotland voted to leave
    52.5% of wales voted to leave

    I doubt any of the non English will thank him for being called English and any of the English will thank him for increasing England's population without anyone knowing. :D
     
  6. just another example of the torys being an english centric party then
     
  7. nope, just another idiot thinking those who voted, only voted to leave in England or that tories only seek votes in England. We know which parties stay's within their own borders and for good reason :D
     
  8. The ERG have stated they won't vote for ANY deal.
    That's really helpful huh? But I guess there are reamainers who won't vote for ANY deal either.
    So the only deal is one OK with Labour which from memory was about to be tabled, but never voted on because May got ousted. So who knows? Maybe There is a deal to be agreed and hey presto ....we can move on to the next stage
     
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  9. Nearly, but no. Francois told BBC’s Newsnight: “If there were any attempt to revive the Withdrawal Agreement, even without the backstop, the ERG would vote against it.”

    This is because if you know the current withdrawal proposal, it not only keeps the U.K. in the eu through the backstop if it is introduced and with no end date, but also other parts of that proposal require we can only ask other countries for deals but would need eu approval to have it as the eu could block it. It would also continue to allow free movement and the single market whilst also still being under the european court of justice. The withdrawl proposal is more than just the backstop.

    If a deal that respects we are a 3rd country and not an eu franchise and continually tied to the eu came along, the erg most probably would consider it. I hope that helps your hey presto :D
     
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  10. Some questions for you if you don't mind.

    • Does the EU want the UK to leave the EU?
    • Does the EU want any other countries to leave the EU?
    • Does the EU want to reward or encourage any member states for leaving, by giving them a deal that benefits the nation that is leaving?
    • Does any nation intent on leaving the EU have any realistic expectation that a leaving deal agreed with the EU will in any way be beneficial for the former EU member?
    If you answered "No" to these questions, on what basis do you believe that a leaving deal, one that the EU would sign up to, would have terms that the UK would want?

    You're going to be tempted to say that, "Well, the EU needs a good deal as much as the UK does so a mutually beneficial deal is more likely than not, surely?". And you'd be right - IF the UK was leaving a trade association. The UK is not leaving a trade association though. You know this because trade associations do not need a Parliament, an Army or a seat at the G7 table.
    What needs a Parliament, and Army and a seat at the G7 table? A superstate needs those things.

    Thus, the UK is not leaving a trade association, where trade is the bottom line ... the UK is attempting to leave a hegemonic foreign power, where dominion and control over Europe is the bottom line.

    But you knew all this already.
     
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  11. Just read a very long and involved contribution from a parliamentary wizard which sort of states,in a nutshell:
    The Cooper/Letwin Bill passed without affecting the Royal Prerogative/(or require Queens Consent,which is different) because it very cleverly ordered the PM to "seek",an extension to article 50,it did not "instruct",the Government to extend it.
    The Benn/Burt Bill is trying to ,"instruct",the government to extend Article 50,and as this does affect the Royal Prerogative it will require the Queens Consent .This gives the government the opportunity to refuse it at it's Third Reading.
    Sorry to be vague but the whole thing is very long and boring.
     
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  12. I keep telling you that if you keep up the scotchland thing someone, somewhere will hand you yer arse
     
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  13. Whats all this talk of a deal anyway? Prominent Conservatives say that Blowjo has "stood down the negotiating team" rendering the UK incapable of holding negotiations. So are we to believe the great new deal will fall out of the sky of its own volition, or is it all the PM's talk a smokescreen hiding the true intentions?
     
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  14. Yeh right - you drama queen - if that is all you have to get upset about you'll be fine :rolleyes: you keyboard trollier - I have the Finm's permission and he actually lives in Scotchland :bucktooth:
     
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  15. at the next GE the SNP will crush every other party in a way Putin could only dream of. The Queen will then have kittens rather than be purring and Whitehall will be shitting itself over where it may be told to shove its submarines. If it’s a big enough victory the EU may accept a UDI from the SNP, who will reference the GE as vindication of its policy on the same way as BJ will use it to vindicate his position on a no deal Brexit. Point to highlight: both are constitutional matters affecting the long term status of the U.K. So why should one be considered any differently from the other?
     
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  16. They were asked about that rumour in the house today and it turns out, it was just a rumour :D
     
  17. Truth hurts.

    It’s a public forum
     
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  19. Those documents were only provided to the petitioner late last night, just before midnight. So the government is clearly trying to frustrate the authority of the court. I can’t imagine how that will go down well. The petitioners Advocate was absolutely damning today in his description of Boris Johnson. It will be interesting what the judgment will be, I do hope that the contempt the the U.K. Government has shown the highest court is Scotland is turned around and shoved right up its arse with the pace and ferocity it deserves
     
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