if prof john curtice is good enough for everybody else, then its fine by me i'v no intention of looking any further bud. I do however wait in anticipation of the polling done on behalf of the UK Gov that's been requested several times lately but has been refused. . what do I think of your link? nothing, I didn't read it. chances are its click bait. but if you want some bike related clickbait, try this https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...was-english-crash-driver-complained-9kdm58lfn
Oh come on, you must have enjoyed the audience member who pointed out to Ian Blackford that once out of the EU, the SNP has no chance of winning another referendum because they want to go back into the EU, losing rights to fishing waters and adopting the Euro. Blackford was shaking his head so quickly that his chins were slapping wildly.
Over taking on a blind bend has nothing to do with brexit but more to do with him being a cock, he deserves all he gets, his arrogance with his mates of using the dangerous roads as his own personal racetrack probably saw more towards his sentence than his nationality Curtice is good enough, I'm just not sure he even did it
aye, I guess somebody in the audience is an expert on opinions up here, the Fishing industry and who owns and sells the quotas and the Euro question. has anybody outed the impartial audience member yet? where was QT held this time?
He may well have been an expert, it sounded quite a plausable statement. It certainly seems the accepted position of joining the EU. If you think that an independent Scotland applying to joing the EU, wouldn't have to adopt the Euro or hand over fishing waters to the EU, please explain. Oh, don't go shouting "WESTMINISTER" and the fact that that where QT was held this week, to back up your point.
i'm not so sure being part of the CFP is such a bad thing. I guess you would need to find a mechanism for braking up the cartel that runs it in the uk at the mo. from 1.25 on fishing https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=88&v=DkHMSvn1GHY . do new countries have to join the euro? https://www.bing.com/search?q=would...s=n&sk=&cvid=e67c162a4c3d45f6dffe5b08a4ac5f38
Thw word on the street is the the govt will submit a one line bill on Monday guaranteeing an election on October 15th. This needs a simple majority and if he doesn't get it, Boris will resign rather than ask for an extension. He will stay on as leader but the govt will be lead by another person. He will then fight an election on a "People vs Parliament" platform. Interesting times.
There are two points they haven't tried yet Article 50 is quite clear in that all members are to expect to be treated equally in the right to leave the eu. The backstop I feel is in direct contravention of article 50 in that it would only ever apply to one member country which is against article 50 itself. In effect, everyone can leave the eu except the U.K., I like to see that tested in the courts Secondly, Boris could now go to the house and announce a bill to have a second referendum based on stay in the eu or leave with no deal. Unlike the election one, this would probably have enough public support now, even amongst brexiteers who feel they have far more determined voters. This would also flummox those pissant parties who if they refuse, would have refused democracy 3 times in a row and the public would have seen it. It is the sad state of our politicians that we would have to legislate to make sure if a second referendum was implemented and should the remainers lose, which is a strong likely hood, that they cannot pull this undemocratic shit again
But most of the MPs are lier's, they promised to honour the result of the Referendum, why should anyone trust them to honour the result of a second.
there could be some merit in that noob, tho it would be an easier sell if delivered with a lil more diplomacy. . We’ve talked about this subject before, but a couple of findings in a new poll today by Survation really caught our eye. And that tells us something quite profound about the UK’s voters. Because while a clear majority – 53% vs 47% – would now vote Remain in a rerun of the EU referendum, when the same people were asked for their PREFERRED – not predicted but preferred – outcome of the current Brexit process, 54% voted for Leave options and just 37% for Remain. In other words, the people of Britain no longer actually want Brexit, but they still believe it should happen because that was the result of the referendum. That is a loud and clear warning to the parties currently trying to overturn the 2016 vote by a variety of, let’s say, quasi-democratic means. Whatever their personal views, the electorate does not take kindly to having its collective will disrespected by people who handed the decision over to voters and are now telling them they got it wrong and must be overruled by their betters. (Most also disapproved of the opposition’s blocking of an early election, which is aimed at interfering with the Brexit process, with barely a third backing the move by Labour, the SNP and the Lib Dems. A sizeable 30% of Labour voters and 16% of Lib Dems thought it was wrong to refuse the election.) The politicians of the opposition are playing a very dangerous game. For everyone’s sake, we can only hope it doesn’t backfire and leave us with PM Nigel Farage.
Agree completely which is why legislation should be put into place to force them to accept the result is absolute, as our own elected mp's cannot be trusted. In the case of remain there would need to be no effect, we just simply carry on but this would not be as easy as I suspect some remainers feel, "rejoining" the eu in a literary term would be jumping back in a much much weakened position and might be seen as the eu won and the dog (U.K.) was brought to heel as the eu would promote it's "winning" Given the eu's arrogance and not listening to the people of the nations, I expect their arrogance to gain in a greater amounts and at some point in the future they would push for things that would see us again saying we want to leave as they are seeking a clone army and not individual countries remaining would also kill the snp's independence wish. In the 2014 indi referendum for scotchlanders, the snp put the caveat in we will accept the decision of the scottish people, unless we lose and have a "substantial change" in our future, I.e. being taken out of the eu. It was a cheap swizz but it is the key one the snp have used, if we do not leave the eu then that key argument for indi falls by the wayside and the snp go into a tizzy, job jobbed As to the poll I'm dubious given the results look pro remain but apparently were collected for the daily mail and a base of 1,006 people. If you click on the red new poll today by survation, it takes you to the daily mail. Which whilst is now more of a pussy paper since dacre left, is not the type to give you readers to weaken leave with a deal
remaining would also kill the snp's independence wish. In the 2014 indi referendum for scotchlanders, the snp put the caveat in we will accept the decision of the scottish people, unless we lose and have a "substantial change" in our future, I.e. being taken out of the eu. It was a cheap swizz but it is the key one the snp have used, if we do not leave the eu then that key argument for indi falls by the wayside and the snp go into a tizzy, job jobbed . scotchlanders? well, if yer hell bent on being a tit, you leave me no choice. . there is the question of what happens should Brexit be successfully prevented. The SNP, it is claimed, will have thrown away the best chance of independence in our lifetimes by having campaigned against Brexit. I do believe that if Brexit can be prevented it will be harder to obtain a majority for independence in the short term (although not impossible). Many of those who are currently undecideds or soft Noes will breathe a collective sigh of relief and go back to supporting the status quo. The EU will return to supporting the UK as a member state and become more hostile to Scottish independence. . The medium and longer term is a different matter. In terms of domestic support for independence, what this entire Brexit process has demonstrated in abundance is the contempt and disdain that the Westminster establishment has for Scotland. At every step along the way, Scotland has been ignored, marginalised, and sidelined. This is not a bug in the UK’s operating software, it’s a feature. It will happen again. And when it does happen again we can point the Brexit experience as proof that it keeps happening. . However the cancellation of Brexit does not mean a return to business as usual any more than the loss of the independence referendum in 2014 meant a Scotland that returned to being quiescent. Brexit has opened up a deep seam of resentful English nationalism. That’s not going to go away, and it’s going to shape and direct the future of British politics for years to come, shaping it in ways which are inimical to the devolution settlement and to Scotland’s place within the UK. . At an EU level, the UK has already blown up its reserves of goodwill amongst other EU member states. The other member states would welcome a decision to cancel Brexit, but equally they will be aware that the underlying brexitosis and English nationalist exceptionalism which created the problem in the first place continues to infect the British body politic. That will make many of them view Scottish independence in a more sympathetic light. They won’t come out and full-heartedly support Scottish independence, but then they’re not going to do that even after the UK has left the EU. . Even if Brexit can be avoided in the short term, and that’s a very big if, the question of Brexit is going to continue to dominate British politics for decades to come. The independence movement in Scotland did not go away because we lost the referendum in 2014, the Brexit movement is certainly not going to go away after seeing their win in the 2016 referendum frustrated by subsequent events. It’s a movement which counts on resources of dark money and wealth that is orders of magnitude greater than any funding which the Scottish independence movement can attract. It will continue to be well-resourced, well-funded, and prominent. If Brexit is cancelled it will only become more strident and urgent. . What this means is that one way or another, whether on October 31 or sometime in the future, Brexit is going to happen. At some point after the hypothetical cancellation of Brexit, a UK government will be elected on a platform of leaving the EU and we’ll be back in this circus all over again. That is particularly likely to happen because of the nature of the First Past the Post system of Westminster, where a party can win a large majority in the Commons on the back of a mere third of the popular vote. Brexit is not going away. Even if Brexit can be cancelled this time (which I doubt), as long as Scotland remains a part of the UK we will continue to be at risk of being taken out of the EU against our will. Eventually the forces of English nationalism that Brexit has unleashed will ensure that it comes to pass.
the substantial change of circumstances was actually in the 2016 Holyrood GE a few weeks before the Brexit reff.
That's not being a tit fin, it is simply accurate and you know it to be. Indi 1 gave Scots the voice of 55% to remain in the U.K. The snp said that was it for a generation only for that generation to last as long as Salmond stepping down and Sturgeon being appointed. Since that very day, the snp demand has been "we were told we would remain in the eu, we are leaving so we want an indi 2 vote" Now, either they lied from that date up until only last week or you have been incorrect for nearly 5 years? Which ever it is, if we remain in the eu, the snp's largest reason claiming to justify indi 2, falls by the wayside
Yes, and has declared she would stand as an independent at the next election, good luck with that with only a 346 majority
