British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Oh sorry didn't mean to use the word Honey and you in the same sentence.....

    Seriously though well put bud.
     
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  2. "Honey".

    *Blush*
     
  3. Dear oh dear. Is anybody actually going to give this waste of space* their 'X'? :rolleyes:

    *I don't mean Piers Morgan.

     
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  4. Can't think of anybody :thinkingface:
     
  5. Now I have a theory on old jo

    It's clear she is shit and is running the lib dems not in a very liberal or democratic manner but more like a student union and I feel she will have a nasty surprise in the next general election so upsteps , the man of many faces

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    Now I believe, chukka wanted to be Labour leader and when it was clear Jeremy would not fall on his sword, he left labour

    He then joined the tigs where he was appointed representative but heidi allen was appointed as interim leader so shortly after he left the tigs/change uk

    and then joined the lib dems where I forsee when jo falls and if he is not elected leader, he may join the snpee :D
     
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  6. This is a dangerous situation when people wish to politicise the legal system to suit their own views. The law must remain above politics and be seen to do so.
     
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  7. Millers rep lord Pannick concedes prorogation is a right of the prime minister if it is the forward of a queens speech, the only thing he seems to be able to supply his case content with is, we don't like how he did it

    You would think therefore it is a matter for the house and not any court. If they now wish to change how prorogation is applied, that would need to be heard and voted on in the future in the house and not be retrospectively applied through a court
     
  8. It doesn't have to offer anything The terms for a reunification vote are clearly laid out in the GFA
     
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  9. It seems to me her strategy in declaring 'we'll cancel Brexit' is to achieve a Peoples Vote by proxy in the next GE. I suspect that many Remainers who would not normally vote LD will vote LD simply to cancel Brexit. However, to achieve that she'd have to get a majority in Parliament and I can't see that happening so we'd just be stymied again IMO. Apart from which it might all be academic soon anyway and if the next GE is post 31/10 and there's been no extension what will her strategy be then.
     
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  10. her stratagy seems to be, to make it up as she goes a long.
    2014. once in a lifetime event
    2016 democracy isnt a once in lifetime event
     
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  11. I didn't think it was laid out in the gfa?
    https://assets.publishing.service.g...ads/attachment_data/file/136652/agreement.pdf

    I did think it was mentioned in the Northern Ireland act of 1998, a statute of the Parliament of the United Kingdom, provides that Northern Ireland will remain within the United Kingdom unless a majority of the people of Northern Ireland vote to form part of a united Ireland.

    It specifies, that the secretary of state for Northern Ireland "shall exercise the power [to hold a referendum] if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland".
     
  12. Okay, I can see where the overlap is, in the gfa it offers this on page 33 where it starts "The Two Governments"

    The two Governments:
    (i) recognise the legitimacy of whatever choice is freely exercised by a majority of the people of Northern Ireland with regard to its status, whether they prefer to continue to support the Union with Great Britain or a sovereign united Ireland;

    (ii) recognise that it is for the people of the island of Ireland alone, by agreement between the two parts respectively and without external impediment, to exercise their right of self-determination on the basis of consent, freely and concurrently given, North and South, to bring about a united Ireland, if that is their wish, accepting that this right must be achieved and exercised with and subject to the agreement and consent of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland;

    (iii) acknowledge that while a substantial section of the people in Northern Ireland share the legitimate wish of a majority of the people of the island of Ireland for a united Ireland, the present wish of a majority of the people of Northern Ireland, freely exercised and legitimate, is to maintain the Union and accordingly, that Northern Ireland’s status as part of the United Kingdom reflects and relies upon that wish; and that it would be wrong to make any change in the status of Northern Ireland save with the consent of a majority of its people;

    (iv) affirm that, if in the future, the people of the island of Ireland exercise their right of self-determination on the basis set out in sections (i) and (ii) above to bring about a united Ireland, it will be a binding obligation on both Governments to introduce and support in their respective Parliaments legislation to give effect to that wish;

    (v) affirm that whatever choice is freely exercised by a majority of the people of Northern Ireland, the power of the sovereign government with jurisdiction there shall be exercised with rigorous impartiality on behalf of all the people in the diversity of their identities and traditions and shall be founded on the principles of full respect for, and equality of, civil, political, social and cultural rights, of freedom from discrimination for all citizens, and of parity of esteem and of just and equal treatment for the identity, ethos and aspirations of both communities;


    There is also the 1998 act of Northern Ireland in regards to the British parliament and their powers of considering enough want that vote or not, for it to happen
     
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  13. I wonder how well that referendum would go :thinkingface:
     
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  14. Lets hope they do not use diane abbicus's calculator like the irish post

    A total of 52% of people polled believed an Irish border poll should take place after Brexit, with 19% saying they were against the idea.

    Removing the 29% of people who chose the “don’t know” option, the results are 73% in favour and 27% against.

    Them crazy they didn't vote for us but they might have so we are counting it as yes

    https://www.irishpost.com/news/surv...espread-support-irish-unity-referendum-171382
     
  15. *facepalm*
     
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  16. Worth a listen - Problems with the Dover crossing as explained by a caller who used to run the Port of Dover. Are we back in Y2K territory again?



    The French could of course play havoc (as they do now) just by working to rule etc.
     
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  17. I know fin right? them the first past the post didn't win, it was all the others who lost that won, yay everyone gets a medal
     
  18. I love this guy's writing style. Good find Finm

    Totally agree. To my mind conspiracy theories are just another symptom of the narcissism I referenced recently in another post somewhere in one of these many mammoth Brexit and Brexit-related threads.
     
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  19. yip, wee ginger dug or Paul Kavinaugh. he does have a way with the words. an easy fun read of the days events.
     
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