British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. What’s your point caller?

    We know there are a lot of very bad men on both sides. Some of those bad men were even until recently in the government (well, they would be if Stormont hadn’t been closed for the past two years). Gerry Adams was in the Provos, possibly head of The Army Council in the early 70s (which is why he was arrested for Jean McConville’s murder following the release of “The Boston Tapes”), the late Martin McGuinness was also high up in the Provos as well as Sinn Fein too.

    That. Is. Exactly. Why. This. Is. Dangerous.
     
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  2. My point remains the same, The British people took a democratic vote in regards to in or out of the eu.

    If the eu through the irish government, seek to stop brexit by using threats of terrorism, then shame on them
     
  3. are you happy that the loyalist are threatening violance in glasgow if they dont get their own way? what should the UK gov do to condem that? bearing in mind the links to the DUP.
     
  4. Ask Glasgow council and police if they have the laws to stop violence ? This has no bearing on brexit as hard as you try but it does show the depths extreme remainers and the eu will sink too
     
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  5. I think it might be actually.

    The timing is an unfortunate result of a High Court JR in 2018 which overturned the 2016 decision of the NI Prosecution Service not to prosecute the soldier. Given that JRs must be started within 3 months of the decision to be reviewed, the first domino was toppled over way back in 2016.

    And then once the NI DPP had, in effect, been told (in 2018) they needed to charge Soldier B, they didn’t really have much choice.

    So the timing was either a coincidence or it involved Machiavellian machinations which not only required the connivance of the High Court and the NI DPP but also required them to be able to see 3 years into the future and to predict a series of outcomes few if any people had predicted (ie: the March - October extension) with respect to Brexit.
     
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  6. That is entirely plausible :thinkingface: are you aware of the flat earth society - I could introduce you :D
     
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  7. Well that's good to know. 28 days to go and 83 days to christmas
     
  8. There you go again. Your simplistic fall back response whenever you paint yourself into a corner.

    Q: Do you want fries with that?

    A: The British people took a democratic vote to leave the EU which must be respected, right or wrong, regardless of the consequences.

    SMH
     
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  9. Oh, and morning all :blush:
     
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  10. You say simplistic, I say not falling for smoke screens.

    the people of Ireland have the right to travel across the border through the common travel area agreement
    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/common-travel-area-guidance/common-travel-area-guidance
    and have had that right since 1923 and updated regularly since then

    The issue therefore that remains is a trade border

    The eu want you to believe that companies, countries who want to sell goods to the eu that do not meet eu standards will now,
    ship all their goods to Northern Ireland,
    to then be transferred downwards to the republic,
    get a eu piece of paper,
    to then be transported through the U.K.
    then onwards to mainland europe

    Oh, and if you don't believe them then they will raise the rhetoric and try to provoke the troubles again
     
  11. Noob. As has been said over and over - you are failing to appreciate how the thought process of extremists on both sides work and you are also denying the reality of what they’re saying and doing right now. The politics in that part of the world are inextricably linked with violence, they bewilderingly labyrinthine anyway and even more so when added complications of this sort are thrown in the mix.

    Your naive reasoning is like standing in front of a runaway truck and steadfastly pointing out that it shouldn’t be happening as there is a Highway Code which governs this sort of thing.
     
  12. I am fully aware of the dangers of a handful of people who will always want a row with someone, and rarely seek to have an excuse

    I won't accept however that they represent the vast majority of people in Ireland or that they should be allowed to influence a democratic vote by the people of another country

    Your reasoning is stop brexit at all costs even if it means winding up terrorists with your rhetoric, I find that deplorable.
     
  13. And your lot are just about to hand them that excuse on a silver platter.

    My view is that a second Referendum is needed (generally) but if that isn’t going to happen, then unless a solution to the NI/Eire border which suits all parties can be found in the next few weeks, then at the very least an extension is needed to try and work through this very delicate and difficult problem.

    I realise that this nuanced point of view is probably beyond your absolutist comprehension, but it is what it is
     
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  14. we leave in 28 days
     
  15. Oh no we won't
     
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  16. They should rename the EU “Hotel Brussels” as you can check out but you can never leave. :laughing:
     
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  17. British army shooting 12 year old school girls in the back with machine guns

    a mother being shot in the face in her own home and blinded by a rubber bullet.

    that kind of thing is going to provoke an armed response in pretty much every country in the world. It’s not unique to Ireland but somehow you think that the U.K. should be immune from such a reaction?
    Out if interest. What would you have done?
     
  18. It’s not laws they need, it will be the army
     
  19. a handful? Really?
     
  20. Noob wouldn’t have done anything, because as his “drama queen” rating of previous posts and his attitude generally demonstrate, he doesn’t care if people die, so long as he and his fellow Brextremists get their own way and they can feel important for once in their lives.

    Frankly, he is a walking one man argument against the folly of referenda, as he and his ilk were handed power without responsibility and as his responses throughout this thread have shown, without them even having the ability to properly assess all the complexities.
     
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