British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. I'm not sure what value there is in a further referendum. None seems to have been placed on the one we've already had.

    Same goes for a GE. You vote for candidates based upon what they say, a government is formed, then you have MPs ignoring the terms upon which they were granted their Seats and it is Parliament and the Courts that govern, not Government.

    This is fine. With no functioning democracy or governance in the UK, I now have the opportunity to pursue my own interests.
    Totally cool with that.
     
  2. I would be fine to Leave with a deal, hopefully uniting the country. Theres a very good chance most people would be too, and by giving everyone the choice there cannot be claims of bias afterwards. In a first round Leave or Remain deal, I would vote Remain.

    Some people -hopeful;ly a small minority- will never be happy. Thats a fact.

    I disgree with you, posing the question including all three available options, under the same conditions is the only fair way.

    The Remain arguements may or may not be correct. The only way to be certain is to have the country vote for a conclusion, which either proves or disproves it.
     
  3. In your three-way referendum question, is it a run-off scenario, or a straight, "these are the three choices, biggest vote share wins"?

    If the latter, say Remain gets 34% and the Leave/faux-Leave options get 33% each. Are you seriously suggesting that Remain wins the day?
     
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  4. I'm sorry but in the very 'Wise Words of @Alan williams' (new series starting soon on Netflix), we're going to have to agree to disagree :upyeah:

    Mathematically a vote across 3 choices is far more likely to bring results per choice of less than 52%, on that very basis alone it would never, ever float.

    Let's say revoke article 50 received 47% of the vote, that would leave 53% still voting for a leave option and thus in reality putting 'Leave' in some way shape or form as the overriding view of the uk public.

    Then what?
     
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  5. Yes
     
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  6. yep.. fucken waste of time.. probably find if there is another referendum, remain would comfortably win because exit knows its a pointless exercise even turning up to vote..
    the spineless two faced pos remoaners have done and will do anything to derail any leave deal.
    could someone tell me, if a leave deal was struck and the uk left, would that deal be in place till the end of time?
     
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  7. Damn you fast typing loz :joy:
     
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  8. No.
     
  9. OK. Cheers.
     
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  10. It would have to be legally binding.
     
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  11. im not real savvy with this stuff but could the deal be revisited/reviewed/amended over time or in a certain time frame? could the uk not go back in the future with its tail between its legs an rejoin the eu (if it has not collapsed!) if the remoaners self fulfilling prophecy happens?
    if so, whats the fucken problem?
     
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  12. I know you mean well mate, and speaking as a leave voter who has come to the conclusion that backing a second referendum might be best, I'm afraid what you're proposing is EXACTLY the thing that shouldn't be proposed by any remain voter who genuinely believes that they have a majority without underhand intent. Doing it in the manner you're suggesting creates such bad optics it'd make things worse than now.

    It would not, in anyway shape or form, end division.....at all...not a chance......the end.
     
  13. Who would determine the legality?
     
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  14. I agree, a fourteen days period of enactment to proceed with the public choice.
     
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  15. Why not? This is the way the UK votes for its government and has done so for hundreds of years.
     
  16. the public has a choice?
     
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  17. Here's an idea, 'they' Labour and Lib Dems could put their money where their mouth is and vote on the deal then call a no confidence motion and thus starting a general election.

    If they win they can go to do the FTA negotiations and even probably reverse the decision entirely.

    Amazingly they don't seem to want to do that
     
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  18. To clear up amy misunderstanding the answer to this is no.

    All laws are subject to possible change in the future.
     
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  19. Do you mean remain gets 47% and say leave 30% and leave with deal 23% ?
    In that case I think we would remain, as that is what the politicians want.
     
  20. That'll go above their heads. :laughing:
     
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