British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. It’s the bbc who cares
     
  2. Did you know J Biker never voted either :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy: funny as fuck :blush:
     
  3. Just a thought Troubles in NI that look like they are going to kick off again, boiled down leave or remain
    Should we be worried, don’t fancy been in my bath chair and still posting on here
    Exige maybe you could do a line in safe stop tin helmets
     
  4. Bacofoil do ya?
     
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  5. Back to first principles:
    • There is no consensus on either Remaining in or Leaving the EU amongst the Public.
    • There is no consensus on either Remaining in or Leaving the EU in Westminster.
    • There is no consensus on what kind of "Leaving the EU" arrangement constitutes Leaving.
    • There is no consensus on what kind of ongoing Leaving arrangement with the EU is satisfactory to Remainers.
    • There is no "status quo" as membership in the EU is a process not an end result.
    • The 2016 Referendum asked "Leave" or "Remain", with no stipulation of any condition, either Leaving or Remaining.
    • With no reliable information available in the run-up to the 2016 Ref on what Leave or Remain would look like, people voted under "best guess" conditions - the same as for any ballot.
    • There is literally no "middle ground" that has proved acceptable to a majority of voters or MPs.
    • Logically, any form of arrangement with the EU that leaves the EU in charge of matters associated with UK sovereignty is partially Remaining in the EU, which was not an option in the 2016 Referendum.
    • Logically, any form of arrangement with the EU that leaves the EU in charge of matters associated with UK sovereignty is partially Leaving the EU, which was not an option in the 2016 Referendum.
    • Pre-2016 Ref, there was never any form of guarantee that the EU would offer a Leaving deal that was in any way beneficial to the UK.
    • In three years, there has no sign whatsoever that the EU will offer a Leaving deal that is in any way beneficial to the UK.
    • There is no indication whatsoever that any of the above issues will ever change.
    • Remaining in the EU under "current terms" is not an option if the 2016 Ref result is to be honoured.
    Conclusions

    With no consensus on what "level" of Leaving the EU constitutes genuine Brexit, the only logical basis for satisfying the 2016 Ref lies in honouring what was voted for, ie Leaving the EU. Logically, there is no alternative which honours democratic principles and the result of the 2016 Ref, to the UK leaving the EU on WTO terms. Dragging out the process in the hope of reaching a consensus is unrealistic and harmful.

    The expectation is that the UK and EU, out of enlightened self-interest, will negotiate mutually beneficial trade arrangements. There is no need for an all-encompassing Withdrawal Agreement that denies the UK its sovereignty by seeking to control the UK's ability to make decisions for itself as an independent nation.

    Beyond this, any complications can be overcome through genuine negotiation in good faith. Insistence that this is not the case is merely smoke and mirrors and an attempt to denature British Independence (aka Brexit) in defiance of the 2016 Ref result and the political realities arising from it.

    I am delighted and proud to have been able to assist y'all here!
     
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  6. you must have some left over. yer heeds no that big.
     
  7. Business opportunity get in quick
     
  8. I think this is the important bit from businesses point of view.
    When they announced the agreement the pound value increased, only to fall shortly after when the DUP said they wouldn’t support it.
     
  9. Feck business, they don't get a vote and they aren't the boss of me : o D
     
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  10. maybe, but I’m not just for the many, I’m for everybody.
     
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  11. While he gets lambasted, why not have a look at an un edited, full version. I think he answers very well..
     
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  12. That may be because most people use statistics like a drunk man uses a lamppost, ie: for for support rather than illumination
     
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  13. He had to go back 4 years and more to give an example of when he wasn't biased - are you for real??? Blinkered or what!!!
    Did you vote btw? You never did you :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy::joy:
     
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  14. :joy: you didn't did you o_O
     
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  15. for for ?

    Are you drunk ?






















    :)
     
  16. Careful. I might have a stutter. :yum

     
  17. If you can’t understand this simple concept then I don’t know what to say to you.
     
  18. I knew you would believe this to be true

    let’s look at the facts

    BJ pisses off the DUP to lose 9 votes
    BJ removes the parts which guarantees the U.K. will retain employment and environmental law which will lose him labour votes

    despite having had extensive IT tuition from yon American woman he can only manage to send a photocopy which he doesn’t sign, thereby disrespecting his EU counterparts.

    BJ tables his deal in a way he knows will be amended thereby preventing him from presenting it again

    meanwhile, arch Brexiteer is remarkably calm about the whole thing

    it’s also 95% Mays deal which he resigned over and said we would be better off staying in the EU instead.

    its 95% a deal he voted against

    it includes a border in the Irish Sea which he opposed

    and yet you conclude he is genuinely trying to get a deal through.

    he isn’t. It’s all part of his WTO exit strategy because he doesn’t believe in it
     
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  19. That’s an interesting comment
     
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