your conclusions would be fine bar two key issues 1) the GFA 2) scotland being told to vote no in the EU referendum as an FYI part of the reason I voted YES in 2014 was because I knew an EU referendum with a Leave result was inevitable. If I knew that, then those with access to real data must have done also
Great insight there. So because you knew a vote to leave the EU was inevitable in June 2016, in a referendum that was only announced in May 2015 in a Conservative Party manifesto if they won a General Election, you voted for Scotland to become independent from the rest of the UK in 2014? You've been a member here since 2012, so can you point me to the posts in 2014 relating to the fact you were voting the way you were in the Scottish referendum because of something that had yet to be announced and was 2 years away? Do you have this evening Euro Millions numbers too? Or, maybe you're just a liar.
for the political geeks there was a possibilty that a brexit reff was starting to look like a real possibilty in 2014. i didnt. but i didnt use the web back then for news and analysis. i have since seen stuff on the web where better togeather and all news refused to entain or explore the notion of a majority tory gov let alone a brexit reff leading up to the indi vote.
I lived in London from 97 - 2012 scotland from 2012 - 2015 london again since 2016 during that time I saw London change substantially and I could understand why people were getting frustrated about the problems caused. Didn’t bother me, because I was one of the immigrants. you would have to have lived your life with a head in a bucket not to have noticed the growing disenchantment with the EU amongst people. You could hear it in pubs and on building sites. most of my friends moved towards wanting Brexit. All sensible, intelligent people, none of them racists. So if those people were moving that way why not other people? Cameron had been under pressure for years for a referendum. brexit didn’t happen overnight. It had brewing for a long time. so, I am not a liar. I am just observant and spend a lot of time listening to LBC
So you can point me towards the posts in 2014 that said you were voting for independence because of a referendum to be held in 2016 then? I can't wait. Or are you a blatant liar?.................................
I don’t care what you think, and I am too busy to start pouring through the thousands of posts I have made. I can’t believe you think that BREXIT was a surprise result. It’s one thing not to understand that criticising one person for her views is the exact same as criticising the significant number of people who support those views, that’s just lack of intelligence. It’s another thing to call me a liar when you have no idea what I was thinking.
Let’s not also forget the blatant lies and disinformation about the EU which was peddled for decades prior to 2016 by the Daily Fail, Excess and Torygraph. That sort of black propaganda seeps into the public consciousness until it’s accepted as truth, so by the time the Referendum came around, the Remain campaign was already miles behind. Also, choosing my words carefully here, the nuanced and sometimes technical arguments in favour of staying in the EU were perhaps not the most successful way to win over certain elements of the populace who tend to respond best to stuff like “your problems are all someone else’s fault” and “look at the filthy foreigners taking our money”.
The last two remarks sum it all up. Conservatives favourite technique tbh, just add in social security claimants. Job done..
43billion barrels later and how many are still actually unemployed? an hour or so here and there in the GIG ecconomy and your classed as employed.
This is elitist bolloxs of course because it implies those who voted to leave were mindless zombies easily influenced by media and those who voted to remain were well informed, knew better than anyone else and were all free thinkers. Typical remainer tosh.
"Thousands" of posts you have made predicting the EU result by 2 years. Wow, impressive. Oh hang on a cotton picking minute.................I think you are lying. However, just one post on the matter will prove me wrong, won't it.
I saw this Then how do you explain that out of 33 London boroughs, 28 voted to remain? was your head in the same bucket?
Because I spend a lot of time in Surrey and Hampshire I recall being in a pub in Bentley the night of an election in 2012. Can’t remember if it was EU or local council and pretty much everyone in the pub was talking about having voted UKIP. Either way, they had a great result. Bentley is a bit upmarket and so if it was happening there, it was happening other places too.
So it was in London, in 2014 that you saw people looking to vote to leave in 2016 and the eu but 28 out of the 33 boroughs voted to remain but now you are confused as it may not have been London but possibly surrey or hampshire but your not sure and it wasn't 2014 now but was 2012 and you'r not sure if it was a eu or local council election but everyone in a pub was talking about it. Yep, that makes it clearer, cheers
Mindless zombies? That’s no way to talk about Loz. Don’t you remember when I dismantled and demolished every single one of the anti-EU arguments and examples he raised against me in one of these threads, each and every one just the sort of ill informed and/or dishonest self pitying claptrap peddled by the mainstream media you bitter little Englanders are constantly bleating? The South Yorkshire Police tweet? The Austrian Woman? The hate preachers who supposedly couldn’t be removed? Ring any bells? If you want me to I can find and link to them? Free thinkers? Don’t make me laugh (honestly, that comment genuinely made me chuckle) - you and people like you are just a different breed of sheep with a different shepherd than the people you so snipe and sneer at.
I remember you like bigging yourself up , a LOT Crazy Zed, if you had read it properly I was saying that the remain side thought they are free thinkers and not sheeple, you just proved my point, london bubbleista narcissist are sheeples Keep up with your own arguments, your in danger of arguing with yourself just so you can say you beat you
I stated where I lived many of the people I spoke to in London May or may not have lived in London 100% of people in London did not vote remain. Millions voted leave. my impression of what was going on around me was not a scientific survey. your attempts at trying to twist my words is typical of your childish behaviour
