Anyone know if the difference between standard and S is just a map? Or timing? Or are physical engine components needed?
Based on this...https://www.topspeed.com/motorcycle...cati-monster-1200-1200-s-1200-r-ar171452.html So, here we have three separate models with three different sets of performance numbers. This is achieved through the use of different programming to provide different power curves across the range. As you might imagine, the base-model Monster 1200 comes with the lowest numbers of the three with 135 horsepower at 8,750 rpm and 87 pound-feet at 7,250 rpm. The “S” model programming gives it another 10 ponies at 8,750 rpm and a total of 91.8 pounds of grunt at 7,250 rpm. Last, but certainly not least, the “R” version cranks out 160 horses at 9,250 rpm and 97 pounds of grunt at 7,750 rpm. Bear in mind this is all on a sled that weighs in under 500 pounds soaking wet, so even the base model with its lower performance numbers should prove to be more than a handful to all but the most experienced sportbike riders.
I have the base model and I can vouch for the “handful” bit Bradders, I actually look forward to going out on the 800 scrambler, for a rest!
You are correct about the horsepower difference. I feel sure I’ve read the S is more than the standard version. You’re most probably correct about the r as well. My S is 145 hp. Afraid I can’t be sure how this is achieved though.
I read that the R & S have different throttle bodies to the base model , so if that’s correct it’s more than just different programming in the ECU, I’ve had Fireblades and the like but no way do I feel I need more power with the monster, it’s bloody quick and my 57 year old brain is only just learning to keep up with it after a couple of months riding it, TBH any bike with around 100bhp and more than 70Nm torque is more than enough for the road, and obviously the Monsters have much more than that, I took a 1299 for a test ride, absolutely ridiculous performance, couldn’t wait to get it back to the showroom!
Since 2017 and other than the "R", there are no power hardware or software differences between the Monster Base and "S". The "R" is no longer offered for 2020. However, historically, @bradders is correct. Back around 2016 there use to be a power difference between the Base and the "S" controlled by the map software. That was a stupid marketing move by Ducati to justify the premium model's price which was completely offset by adding a Termi Upmap. The 2016 "R" was even more powerful but hardware related namely larger headers as @Monsterped wrote but also a higher compression ratio and larger diameter throttle bodies than the 2016 counterparts.
Have it dyno'd when you have a chance and post the results in the Dyno thread here: https://www.ducatiforum.co.uk/threads/monster-dyno-chart.73264/
I have rode them all in 2016. Not much difference in ride-ability between the Base and the "S". The "S" Ohlins is smoother but marginally. Brakes are noticeably stronger on the "S". If you add a Termignoni (with upmap), there's no difference in power. The 2016 "R" is a different bike altogether. Different frame, geometry engine parts and characteristics etc. In fact, it's the predecessor to the 2017 and later.
Thanks. I had a base with upmap and had the suspension professionally set up for me , it seemed a ridiculously capable bike.
It’s a question of whether the 2 grand or so is worth spending from a base to an S. Both would need suspension set up, likely springs and service. sound like a good spec base with trim would be worth looking at for the right price. I’ve not ridden one so have nothing to benchmark
2 grand (in GBP) is a lot especially if you're value focused which I would rather spend on an exhaust. As mentioned, the "S" brakes are the biggest difference. They really grab hard where you need next to no input in pull. If I had to choose between the two, it would come down to brakes. If you like the brakes on the base model, use the difference in cash elsewhere.
