Can I just say that "ignoring" 35 SNP MPs is an excellent start. Can we come up with ideas on how best to ignore the remaining 615?
do what we do, tho you are always a lil slow to learn. the currency question is quite easy. join efta, stirlingisation while a few tests have to be met. join the EU when those tests have been met if thats what the country wants and votes for. easy peasy. more importantly for rUK whats the pound gonna be worth and how are you gonna cope with a reduced credit rating.
to the uneducated yes. it will be easier as our gov has a habit of making plans, and showing competency in what it does.( queue noob minutiae) it also has a majority in parliment backed up with a population not prone to knee jerk reactions. this has been a long time coming with suport won over decades.
Sorry, was only playing. Plus, Scotland can learn from others mistakes. I hope if Scotland get the chance it’s done in a way that ensures if the vote is yes then it happens.
Taadaaaa Yes Alan you are quite correct but I'll break it down to what the core of the snp's indi 2 manual is "this is what the snp wants and the others, eu and the u.k. will do as we say because it makes sense for them too" I'm not even joking, much of that indi 2 document falls into the, as you point out "You’re sounding a bit like Johnson etc in the leave campaign". It is that and then some.
The thing is, to me, the uk Leave campaign was originally if you vote leave we will do this and that and leave the Eu. But unfortunately for the politicians we did vote leave, and immediately after all the politicians that said we should leave went in to hiding and did sweet FA. That left the other pretending to leave. Perhaps the plan all along was for Johnson to dust off his hero cape and save the day, only he isn’t. Farage, for me, has ‘wimped out’. I really hope that Scotland doesn’t end up in the same position. Being let down by t&@£)(;:s.
If he's not for you, then you shouldn't BUT you shouldn't make the same mistakes he or his predecessors have which the snp are doing with regards to indy let me show you a few areas from the snp's most recent and current document on indi C1.5 The case for a sterling currency union remains strong since Scotland and the rest of the UK remain a close approximation to an optimal currency area and would continue to be so for some years after Scotland became independent. It would also provide continuity and stability. That said, critics argue that it would mean that Scotland’s government would cede effective sovereignty over monetary policy while the rest of the UK would become exposed to the financial policy actions of the Scottish Government. * C1.6 It would be in the interests of both Scotland and the rest of the UK for existing and new institutions to work closely together during and after the transition to independence, and that is what we would expect to happen. However, unlike in 2014, the recommendations set out in this report do not require the pre-agreement of the UK Government or UK institutions. I've underlined that part because in black and white, until Scotland is free to create it's own sovereign monetary policy then it cannot join the eu because that is one of key requirements of joining the eu The second paragraph literally is the gist of the entire document, it works on the assumption that because this is the only way Scotland could leave and then apply, then the U.K. should see it and do as Scotland asks. It also suggests that Scotland should be able to attain the same credit ratings as a new nation, this is unlikely due to the massive debt it has to settle to leave but more likely will see a new country treated similarly to a new car driver, they are likely to be given not a bad borrowing rate but unlikely to match the U.K.'s This is incredibly important as you will have the debt to the U.K. to be paid off and the internal investment borrowing sought to replace U.K. infrastructure, dwp, nhs, armed forces, intelligence services, dvla, etc etc this will be a financially tough time for Scots but if the snp is honest and lays out the real costs, they might be of a mind to see it as a short term worth it
when was that document published? also, divert noticed, the debt belongs to the uk, end of. negotiation would see us take a share. maybe. we cover the big stuff already, NHS, which takes about a third of our budget. education, police and coarts. infrostructure ect. i think 30bill anually plus the money that gets borrowed on our behalf (without any say) would cover those things nicley. 5-10bill lost in tax's re the civil service ect will go along way too. unless yer telling me there is something in our genes that says. "basket case". impossible. like the other 62 countries that have left the uk in the last 70years. . whats the craic with the russians?
That document is the second one, the one from the sustainable growth commission may 2018 which was put forward from the snp as a future indi 2 document https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...3c0a5132a23/1527421195436/SGC+Full+Report.pdf the debt belongs to the uk, end of. negotiation would see us take a share. This is not correct fin as you know, this is the snp's claim and not fact. It would, as we are, being asked to settle our debt before we leave the eu, scotland would have to do the same when leaving the u.k.. Claiming then a peoples percentage of the pot U.K. will not happen either as it did not happen with the U.K. leaving the eu. I suspect by the end of the process, Scots will be sick of the term "annual Solidarity payment" which is what the debt is being called and with an expectancy for it to take ten years of payment to the U.K. to pay it off. The other issue is that Scotland is using modelling for it's financial position/future and have used similar economies such as New Zealand, Finland and Holland, apart from some obvious sillyness, what it does not do it show how to leave the U.K., pay off the debt, spend the extra money to replace another nations infrastructure, create your own economy, create your own currency and then join the eu or efta. there is no comparisson model for that, so all of the modelling done is a lie at best or most hopeful wild guess at best Of course Scotland can do it, but unlike the U.K. it faces a far bigger risk. The eu is a trap, that is why two thirds of the member countries rely on eu money as they take out more than they put in, they can't afford to leave. There are only about 5 countries in the eu that could afford to leave and then do well after, the U.K. is one. Anyway, the russian thing, I can't see why it is being delayed as facebook and the electoral commission agreed there was very little signs of accounts being made for brexit, I think about 250 accounts in a pool of 2.37 billion accounts worldwide.
it was amended in may 2019 the debt is the UK's. but you could argue the assets are the UK's too. a population share of the debt i guess would mean a population share of the assets too. no? . obviously the current uk could aford it. wealth has never been an issue. its the devisions in wealth that will contribute to the break up of the UK. lill england wont be able to afford it. . russions and torys eh? hmm you scatch mine and we will scratch yours?.
The SNP are going to destroy every other party at this election. My Tory voting Dad is voting Green at the moment. His 5 kids are voting SNP, we will get him full SNPby the time it comes around. He has already said he will vote YES at the next Indy ref
When Scotland floats its own currency sterling will fall even further as its balance of payments will fall even further through the floor since all those oil, salmon and alcohol exports won’t be on the sterling balance sheet. That’s strike 2. Strike 1 is losing the value of the oil reserves which underpin the rate that the U.K. borrows money at. doesn’t need to be like this. It should be done respectfully, but as contributors to this board mirror and we saw with Brexit negotiations, Tories don’t do civil
