British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Erm, only if you take them blinkers off :thinkingface:
     
  2. Or you do?
     
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  3. Nope - eyes wide open :bucktooth:
     
  4. How will we see, if we don’t leave ?
     
  5. Despite appearances to the contrary...

    Are you actually having a BP MP standing in your area to vote for? Half of its cancelled already with more to come I hear.
     
  6. We're maybe pretend leaving so just make it up o_O
     
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  7. We have a Conservative majority with the Lib Dems close behind - so the first time ever in my life I will be voting: it will be Conservative for pretend Brexit I'm afraid - the country has missed out on such wonderous times :eek:
     
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  9. I was going to create this as a meme but, I didn't need too, It's real and they are two recent labour mp's :D


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  11. Well, the current over 24 national living wage is £8.21. If labour won on the 12th of December and raised the national living wage on the 13th of December this would be great for employees and probably shit for business.

    The only reason I say that is looking around my own town, apart from one or two large employers, the rest of the employment is through very small business's.

    The other part is, how do you then maintain the skills gap between say shop floor and a supervisor or nurse and a staff nurse for example?

    You'd think using labours wish list this wouldn't be a problem, if you raise the nurse to £10 ph then you simply raise the staff nurse by the same difference the nurse just had

    With no discussion with business about how to implement it with immediate effect and the knock on for extra costings for councils, police, fire brigade, nhs, etc etc and that is just on tax payer funded wages, which also would see a need for the pension contributions to rise, you can see why "with immediate effect" could fuck things right up
     
  12. The introduction of £10 p/h will go a little way in lessening the poverty gap, whilst and when pay increases are awarded as percentages the gross wages will grow further and further apart imo pay awards should be in monetary increases and through proper collective bargaining at all levels.
     
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  13. I agree with you but be honest, if you push that rise on many councils, nhs, emergency services, armed forces etc,all tax payer funded wages and pensions and do so immediately, it would plunge many of these in the shit from minute 1.

    As usual though, Labour seem incredibly keen to spend tax payers money no matter what the impact would be on social provided tax payers services and without any planning and the tories have thrown it so far into the future that I suspect they hope people will forget about it so they can use it again at the next election.

    Being now retired I genuinely did not know what the the minimum wage was so I looked and found this

    Current rates
    These rates are for the National Living Wage and the National Minimum Wage. The rates change every April.
    https://www.gov.uk/national-minimum-wage-rates

    Year 25 and over £8.21
    21 to 24 £7.70
    18 to 20 £6.15
    Under 18 £4.35
    Apprentice £3.90

    Being honest and using words I don't normally, that is fucking outrageous

    There should only be two minimum bands under 18/apprentice at possible £7.70 per hour and over 18 at £10.ph

    It should not be immediate the day after labour win if this was the case (they won't), employers just could not plan ahead like that.

    If however they were told, we leave the eu technically by payment on the 31st of December 2020 (which we do as the 7 year eu financial cycle ends) then from the 1st of January 2021 the above rates will legally come in and the minimum wage each year would rise by the rate of inflation

    This gives time for employers to plan, at a time when we stop paying into europe so would help fund the public sector but also allow all bodies concerned to plan ahead know it would go up by the rate of inflation. It would also allow private companies to do the same thing in knowing in advance and planning for many years

    There is a concern and it must be raised, this would make this country very attractive within the european continent and would draw many wanting to come here both legal and illegal and we should plan accordingly
     
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  14. like torys GAF about public services. only the profits the private companies make from them. the proposed pay rise isn't extreme as it sounds. not once you add in the tax multipliers from the slightly higher tax returns from the higher wage.
     
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  15. The amount isn't large fin, but labours immediate effect is not possible
     
  16. of course it isn't noob. the tory said so.
     
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  17. I would hazard a guess and state there are maybe a tiny percentage within local authorities and the services that are not already earning if not more than £10 p/h. Its the multi nationals and the like that would have rectify this injustice and immediately in my opinion.

    Maybe a triple lock on the minimum hourly rate would be acceptable too.
     
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  18. You have not noticed then that I said the tory 2024 wasn't right either fin

    Most business's in my town are small business's. if you raise from £8.21 to £10 ph this raises per employee (before employers pension contribution) this raises the cost £3909.36 per person . If you have a small business and labour are telling you the next day that you need to find and extra £15,637.44 for your 4 employees, that could break you.

    Most of the bigger business's plan 2-3 years in advance. If you tell both private business's and public services at the end of next December the new rates kick in, you give everyone a chance of planning and making it work
     
  19. I run a small business and employ several people. I know how it works noob. I also know I pay less tax if my profits drop. like I said, its not as extreme as it sounds.
     
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  20. I know you do fin and honest I'm not seeking to teach to suck eggs on this, but labours immediate effect is unrealistic whilst the tories is too far away so timing it at the end of next december gives everyone a good chance to get everything ready in an orderly manner, something we don't have enough of at the moment.
     
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