British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. What part is wrong pray tell ?
     
  2. Hark at the whinging Tories ............
     
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  3. How is it whinging if you point out what is in labours own 2019 manifesto? Didn't you want anyone to read it? :astonished::D

    Perhaps you can say chap, as labour seem to be basing no tax increases for 95% of the country, as a labour man, do you know how many are in the 5% that are going to be paying all this extra tax for the hundreds of billions they say they will spend? because it doesn't say in the manifesto? I would have thought they know how many there are if they are basing their funding on it?
     
  4. still whinging........ read it.
     
  5. It's silly :bucktooth:
     
  6. Based on adult population of UK of 52.5 million, that would suggest the more affluent 2.6 million people. Probably not the most affluent though.
     
  7. Interesting link...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48759591
     
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  8. I'll take that as a solid labour supporter, you don't know how many fall in that 5% either :upyeah:

    I ask because they consider rich to be from £80k and above, whilst at the same time quoting uk billionaires as only 151, just 151.
     
  9. See post #2564 :)
     
  10. Presumably economists are all now Tories then? They must be, because they're pointing out the very obvious gaping holes in the plan and promises.

    It is simply not viable or credible to genuinely believe this fairytale of promises. It's economics dreamt up by halfwits who need blunt cutlery so not to injure themselves or others.

    IF (and that's a gigantic IF) everyone and every business that Labour says they're going to tax to generate the obscene amount of revenue required for their pledges, sits back and takes the additional costs and tax implications on the chin without adjusting pricing, employee head count or their personal tax / residential affairs, they'd still only have about half of what they need....half

    To then also think that businesses won't pass on those additional costs to everyone and every product, and that every obscenely wealthy individual will leave their affairs as they are today and roll over for JC's HMRC then I'm afraid you're not just idealistically starry eyed, you're genuinely retarded.

    It cannot, and will not end with the 5%. It might suit the 'hate anyone earning more than you ' crowd, until it lands on their doorstep within a matter of months with price rises and unemployment.

    And for them to stand and make that statement is either incredibly naive on a level I didn't think possible, OR they're taking the piss out of every Labour voter....I'm currently not sure which it is
     
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  11. Tell you what.

    Just try and have a sensible thought for a minute and consider what will happen when businesses face not only an increase in minimum wage, but also the prospect of a 4 day week and corporation tax rises of circa 7% over the next 2-3 years?

    Would they:

    A - Increase Prices
    B - Reduce costs and overheads (staff/investment)
    C - Increase prices and reduce costs and overheads

    Following any of those outcomes, would that more than likely

    A - Have an adverse effect on Lower Paid Workers

    B - Have an adverse effect on Higher Paid workers


    Good game this isn't it....for the many not the few.....he isn't fucking lying o_O
     
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  12. Port, if the tories made the same claim, I would ridicule that too.

    Labours claim the richest 5% will pay for nearly hundreds and hundreds of millions in taxes is laughable. I suspect the vast majority of those will be closer to the £80k wage than the james dyson billionaire wage

    look at the nhs or any or all of the emergency services, they will be given the same 4 day working week, so you have to employ extra staff labour have already promised plus, the extra shortfall caused by the 4 day week

    All of that extra staffing is not just wages, it's pensions, uniforms, buildings, training, equipment, future planning investment, support services etc etc
     
  13. Didn’t they originally say from £70k until they realised that included them ?
     
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  14. 5% fall into the few category not my concern. You're normally quite good at making up stats, crack on whinger.
     
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  15. Yes
     
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  16. It was my old buddy John McDonnell who when first raised it said £70k on the bbc in the morning, then £80k by the mid day politics show.
     
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  17. I’m guessing but do Labour think that taxing big earners / businesses like they are suggesting will just come out of their profits - no more big bonuses for directors etc ?
     
  18. Au contraire mon cher, the 151 was telt by Corbyn today at the manifesto launch , it's also on labours own websites :D

    Forty eight of the country’s 151 billionaires have donated more than £50 million to the Tory Party since 2005, with 10 billionaires giving money since Johnson declared he wanted to be Prime Minister.

    https://labour.org.uk/press/one-in-...-corporations-and-the-super-rich-nudge-100bn/


    Unless you're saying labour are making their figures up? :thinkingface:
     
  19. Don't worry Alan, because the phrase 'I'm guessing' is probably the most used phrase in any Labour cabinet meeting :upyeah:

    Honestly I don't know what they think, I can only assume they haven't, or don't....actually think.
     
  20. Sadly I think you are right. It’s disappointing really, when it’s basically a two party contest (except in Scotland) it would have been nice if Labours plans had been more realistic.
     
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