British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. An mp not in the government and hasn't been for years?
     
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  2. Similar soundbites come from Farage, and probably coming from lobby groups in US. Western capitalism at work. Ok, they may not be in government but probably in a position of power to influence.
    Welcome to the future.
     
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  4. I know, I bet you do it all the time.
     
  5. Young people should not be allowed to vote as no idea about life etc,they need to live breathe on the merry go round for twenty years plus before they're ready & up to speed.IMO
     
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  7. If my two 20 somethings are anything to go by then correct. :rolleyes:
     
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  8. Hope so.....
    It will be as bad as that Californian Wine....
     
  9. Corporation taxes will continue to reduce .... watch the next budget :eyes:
     
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  10. No
     
  11. maybes Aye. maybes Naw.
    we have earned the right to be sceptical
     
  12. I rest my case.:upyeah:
     
  13. It's going to be an interesting debate. If there's one thing the election seems to have shown it's that the British are not at present natural Communists, so the idea of everyone getting a complete and top-notch social care service regardless of how much they have paid in taxes over the years doesn't appeal to all. As it is, the current system essentially provides to some degree to the poor and feckless, but appears to provide absolutely nothing (not even advice) to those who have tried not to be a burden on the system and have built up any assets or savings, until they have burned those up. What Theresa May unwisely suggested as a policy (as I recall, a cap on how much those with assets would have to pay for their social care, when necessary) was derided as a "dementia tax" meaning that the subject was seen as toxic in the recent election campaign (although with the exception of Labour who said they could offer a marvellous service to all with no extra funding except from the top 5% of earners and from Amazon and suchlike).

    Insurance for those who can afford it and a safety net from the state for those who can't would be better than the current system, and not necessarily so different from other countries. There's a discussion of the German approach here: https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/re...n-germany#8-join-up-policy-to-care-for-carers This is the difficult bit -"everyone pays in a fixed proportion of their income and everyone continues to pay in beyond retirement. Everyone is entitled to the same benefits on becoming eligible, regardless of age, postcode, means, diagnosis or personal circumstances."
     
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  14. And those with only a state pension beyond retirement , how will they pay into it ? I had to pay £4k last year to save my eyesight, with less than £12.5k income as a married couple . AS you say this is the difficult one the system is broke now and your final scenario would make it even worse.
     
  15. I do wonder about the humanity of some people.

    most people on benefits work

    Most people want to work and for a decent wage.

    The people who don’t work all their lives are mostly

    disabled from birth
    Disabled at some point in their life
    Have learning disabilities
    Develop chronic illness

    there are a few who are lazy or just criminal, but even the criminal element mostly have learning disabilities or been in care or have addiction problems and can be turned around.

    the idea that public ownership of

    railways
    Power generation
    Water supply
    Steel making

    Is communist would be bizarre to most of our European neighbours. It is their state owned companies which own our utilities which make a profit to reduce their domestic bills. That does not sound communist to me. Norway’s oil mostly comes out of the ground courtesy of StatOil. STATE OIL - State owned.

    somehow we have the notion that it’s a good idea to have our steel production owned by the Chinese. Or a nuclear power generation owned by the Chinese. What if we have an armed conflict with China? Flick of the switch and the lights go out and the steel production stops.

    it amazes me that so many people allow themselves to be brainwashed by a media which has no interest in their lives and is only interested in the wealth and wellbeing of their empire and class.

    Facists turn the people against one another.
     
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  16. Why do you think that is?

    property ladder issues?
    Student debt?
    Employment?
     
  17. The election of a Johnson-led Conservative government signals the effective end of national interest in the Brexit drama. Now it will be a matter of laborious legislative scrutiny opening the way to a prolonged period of trade negotiations—all technical details that will be too boring for most voters to trouble with. Johnson identifies as a “one-nation Tory,” in the Churchillian tradition of class conciliation and national unity, but the party he leads has resolved its internal rift by expelling its pro-European moderates and recapturing the voters it had been losing to UKIP and the Brexit Party: it is now more right-wing, more nationalistic, more avowedly Thatcherite than it has been for a generation—an absolute reversal of its former leader David Cameron’s project of making the party “kinder” and more consensual.
    Social-democratic Britain is already a tattered, damaged thing. The question is what will be left to save by the time the Labour Party can win a general election again

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  18. Thread closed...:party:
     
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