Not the most exciting thread ever I admit ! My kids are 19 and 20. They had the MMR vaccination when they were 18 months. No problems ! About 10 years ago my mate decided to pay £150 to have his daughter vaccinated with 3 separate injections because the NHS would not cover the extra cost ! At the time I was more than critical of my friend, accusing him of being a bit over-dramatic. 4 years ago my wife's boss had a grandson. A perfect healthy baby............ until at 18 months old he was given the MMR and within weeks he showed signs of something not right ! He now has severe Autism. We got back from a great holiday yesterday where we met a lovely couple with a fantastic but severely mentally disabled daughter. According to her parents she was completely normal until she was given MMR nearly 16 years ago. Coincidence ? maybe, probably !:frown:
Two tragic cases. The Dr at the heart of the MMR row was widely discredited, his findings were derived from a small sample which were not evident elsewhere and he was struck off for some other issue. The consensus is that the MMR jab is safe. The consensus is also that Anthropogenic Climate Change is beyond challenge, or so we are led to believe.
Tony Blair refused to confirm one way or another whether or not his kids had the MMR jab. Hardly inspires confidence.
Both my kids were vaccinated as babies both are fine My worry was that if they weren't vaccinated would they be ok if there was an outbreak later down the line like now. My nephew is autistic but it's not due to the MMR there have always been signs even as a baby that he was going to be different
It's a strange world we live in, when do we know for sure, that we've made the right decision? Back home in the little daisy-land of Denmark, the MMR vaccine have been given for years, like here in UK. there have been questions about a connection between the vaccine and autism - but it have been severely checked, and there have not been anything to confirm, that there could have been a connections. Reports from Finland, Denmark, USA and even WHO, supports this - and concludes that the cases in UK is based on false results. But on the other hand, how can we say with 100% certainty, that "this baby got autism from the MMR-vaccine"? Never the less, it's sad to see children (or any other) suffer - however, even "for the greater good", we have to support them 110%, and still do our best to reduce risk, by making choices. i still think, that MMR vaccine is a good thing, and if i had children, I would have no doubt giving it to them.
Surely the relevant question is NOT is the MMR vacine safe or not... The important point is that parents have had their choice removed. "The government knows best", "do as you are told, not as you want"... Parents have the RIGHT to make their own decissions, and that right has been removed. "1984" is alive and well in the UK...
There is quite a range of opinions on vaccinations generally, not just the MMR one in particular. At one extreme there are people who maintain that vaccines never do any harm, supposed harms are myths, and all children should be compulsorily vaccinated against all possible diseases. At the other extreme is the opinion that many vaccines are risky, many children have suffered serious damage from various vaccines, and the wise parent avoids them altogether. The moderate view is that vaccines can and do cause damage in a small proportion of cases, but such damage is far outweighed by the damage caused by the diseases; so that on balance most vaccination is justified. The whole topic is bedevilled by a very unfortunate circumstance. What is best for me is for everybody except me to be vaccinated so the disease is eliminated (to my benefit), but I thus avoid the risks of vaccination which everyone else runs. Since the same argument is equally valid for each person, if each person therefore rationally decided not to get vaccinated the end result would be a collapse in vaccinations and rampant disease; everybody would lose. Because of this difficulty, public health authorities are obliged to talk up vaccination for all and suppress rational discussion of the downsides. I cannot see any way out of the logical bind. By the way, when my kids were little, my wife spoke to a friend of hers who is a leading consultant in Paediatric Immunology at Great Ormond Street Hospital - she asked him in confidence if he would give his own kids the MMR vaccine, and he answered "No, but don't tell anybody I said so".
Ah yes, the old "smart for one, dumb for all scenario". There are many of these, like dropping litter or having a gas-guzzling car. Good example, Pete.
Not giving a child mmr puts the the child in danger. The evidence is clear on this with tens of millions of doses of mmr given. There is no difference in the rates of autism between the two groups (had mmr and have not had mmr). Also the evidence is clear that mmr is safer and more effective that individual jabs. With individual jabs even if the parent ensure all the jabs are given, often not the case, there is a considerable timespan before all three inoculations are administered, this leaves the child vulnerable to infection.
You are so so right!!!! Ok I can tell you also. Parents should have the right to choose. If parents want singles and want to pay for them why not? It is also saving the NHS money. But the jabs are £150 each. What your not being told is this ..... Not only do the government not give you the right to choose they have stopped the single Mumps vaccine being brought into the country!! So if you want singles and are prepared to pay for them you can't even get a Mumps vaccine!!! Because they removed that choice on purpose!! Then saying to the parents who wanted singles well your not covered so you will have to now have MMR. Of course then most parents feel bad and say ok them il have to. Bully boy tactics! I actually opted for singles as my eldest son had developmental delays and suspected Autism there was no way I was going to risk it. 2nd had singles and no problem prob coincidence but wasnt going to risk it. Age 3 finally got diagnosis . He's very bright obviously speaks now and at age 13 is pretty good just quiet and will only chat about things he likes. And not the best socially. Had I have given MMR and he'd got even worse I'd never forgive myself. The issue is choice and the right to choose. Sadly the singles are so expensive and put of reach to alot of families so the children don't get vaccinated.
No, that is not the relevant question under any circumstances. Unless you happen to be one of the very small number of people in the country specialising in the field of immunology, Virology and Vaccination the chances are you are not qualified to make any decisions about Vaccination, the majority of "information" and I use the term in it's loosest possible sense, being published at the time of the Andrew Wakefield inspired hysteria over MMR vaccinations was opinion pieces from the likes of Melanie Philips based around half baked ideas misrepresented or actively lied about. Dr Wakefield was struck off after having Deer, Brian. "General Medical Council, Fitness to Practise Panel Hearing, 28 January 2010, Andrew Wakefield, John Walker-Smith & Simon Murch He was also found to be a major share holder in a company that sold single vaccines, this came to light shortly after he'd gone on TV to recommend the use of single vaccines. There has been no evidence found at all to show any causal link between MMR and Autism, but the truly crazy thing is, even if they had been right (Wakefied and his accolytes) they were still wrong, the incidence they were claiming was lower than the mortality rate from Measles alone, Swansea has 1 death for around 800 cases of measles, Death occurs in 1 in 2500 to 1 in 5000 cases of measles (NHS figures) The multiple innoculation is the safest and most effective method of safeguarding not just your children but my children and everyone else's children as well, to claim that the government are taking away parental choice is ludicrous, unless you feel you shuld have a choice to not out your baby in a proper car seat or wear a seat belt or crash helmet or drive whilst paralytic.
Suppose he'd died of an easily preventable disease, how much worse would you feel then? You are not able to make an informed choice without a minimum of 10 years study so it's not a choice you can make. The people that have the expertise to make the choice for you all say do it, so for that reason we did it with both our sons and would do the same thing tomorrow.
Tony Blair quite rightly refused to make his baby a political football. If it makes you any more confident it transpired later young Leo, in common with all the other Blair children, received the MMR vaccination.
In post #8 I wrote: There is quite a range of opinions on vaccinations generally, not just the MMR one in particular. At one extreme there are people who maintain that vaccines never do any harm, supposed harms are myths, and all children should be compulsorily vaccinated against all possible diseases. At the other extreme is the opinion that many vaccines are risky, many children have suffered serious damage from various vaccines, and the wise parent avoids them altogether. The moderate view is that vaccines can and do cause damage in a small proportion of cases, but such damage is far outweighed by the damage caused by the diseases; so that on balance most vaccination is justified." Am I right in assuming you adopt the first of the two extreme positions on this topic, Shadow? You have not actually clarified this, but it seems implicit in your comments. And if that is your position, how do you justify it - apart from mere assertion?
That's a really bad argument. Vaccination carries a risk Not vaccinating carries a risk. The risks are not equivalent either in frequency or in terms of severity. The risks from vaccinating are negligible compared to the risks of not vaccinating. Also if you compare risks associated with MMR and single jabs, MMR is safer.
Vaccinations are safe .... http://www.infowars.com/uk-mom-to-s...old-son-develops-narcolepsy-post-vaccination/ Please google narcolepsy and swine flu vaccine . I'm sorry I am aware of how drugs company's often work. I was given a contraceptive implant years ago deemed a wonder.. It caused women to have dreadful side effects. Eventually they had amit it . It was terrible. It was remousehttp://www.infowars.com/uk-mom-to-sue-government-after-4-year-old-son-develops-narcolepsy-post-vaccination/ Google swine flue and narc espy.
