So If A Covid Vaccine Were Released Tomorrow..

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by duke63, Oct 21, 2020.

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  1. Straight away

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  2. Give it at least six months

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  3. Never

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  1. This is the thing I can’t understand, what is the agenda?
    Why are the deaths being recorded like they are and why is nobody questioning the data?
     
  2. There has to be reasons to shut the world down
    Data being a good one as no one understands and the graphs look scary
    Plus a small amount of people have a lot to gain financially
    A re set of the world finances

    Covid exists people are dying of it and some are recovering from it
    I live in one of the lowest areas since we became aware of it and we are made up of retirement age and oldies
    So what are we doing that the big cities aren’t or is it being a smaller group
     
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  3. A guy where I work told me his daughter booked a Covid test but failed to attend. Shortly after she received notification she had tested positive and should isolate immediately.

    He might have been bullshitting me but if this is true what the absolute fuck???
     
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  4. Saw a similar article where a bunch of lads from one factory had registered together because of a message from T&T. Several of them got positive results
    even though they never took the tests as the gaffa had called them back to graft due to delays at the centre.
     
  5. To be fair we must take all stories with a pinch of salt. There’s such a load of shite on social media these days. But if this is true....
     
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  6. It’s all pretty polarising though isn’t it?

    On one side we’re seeing mass hysteria, and on the other side the deniers and conspiracists.. One side fuelled by mainstream media, and the other by social media – we’ve seen this play out continuously in political systems over the past 5 years. Everyone else in the middle seems to pick up different pieces to form their own opinion, but whether you like it or not, we’re all being influenced to some degree by bullshittery.

    My mother-in-law had to fight to get COVID recognised as the cause of death for her elderly mother. She received a positive test, was put on a respirator and died within 48 hours. She’d had a good innings but still had a few more good years in her to say the least.

    Daily deaths now up to 367 so it’s really not going to be long until we’re in the thousands again.

    ONS COVID data comparing the 5 year average looks likes this...
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  7. That’s really odd.

    Usually you’re fighting to get them not to put Covid down as the cause
     
  8. It was in March so maybe early on there was a greater reluctance to acknowledge it as the cause, who knows.
     
  9. sounds awfully similar to what was written above “no middle ground”

    One extreme to another doesn’t it
     
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  10. I'd be worried with the numbers of medical staff self isolating.
     
  11. Ok cheeky! I’ll give you retirement age and oldies!!!
     
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  12. :innocent::grinning: Apart from us youngies
     
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  13. lol! Better!!!
     
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  14. You say that as though I'm the only trying to point out the obvious flaws in the data collection.

    May I suggest you read & watch a little more outside of the BBC, Sky and other msn outlets as many scientists are taking issue with the data used, most are equally if not more qualified in epidemiology and viral contagion than anyone on SAGE / ONS / NHS in charge of the stipulations used to associate a 'Died WITH covid' death as the daily death figures. There are plenty of them interviewed and most can be found to watch back on YouTube should you be so inclined.

    But it's much more simple than that, and it's spelled out in plain English everyday by the news reporters using very carefully worded terminology, they say;

    Died WITH covid.....not because of, not due to, not as a direct result of, died WITH :idea:

    A few other things to consider

    Up to 20% of hospital patients that end up as a 'covid hospitalised' statistic actually catch it in hospital, post admission for something else they ended up in hospital for. Yet if they die, and because they've got covid in their system, they end up in the published statistics for covid. It is that simple. They could be in hospital having suffered a massive heart attack, a stroke, been dying of cancer for months and been in their final days prior to entering hospital.

    Up to 80% of people are asymptomatic. They will still carry covid, they will still test positive for covid, they will not even know they have it nor will they feel remotely ill or have their health degrade from it.

    Yet IF they die within 28 days of literally anything at all having already tested positive for covid they too end up as a covid death. And you think that's a correct way to detail covid deaths?

    Many other regular annual causes of death are down year on year, these are regular causes, causes that nobody has been waving their virtue flag about in recent history nor have they given a single thought about any of them. Causes that happen like clockwork year on year.

    Yet covid is around and they all magically fall? That's because if any of those patients are carrying covid at point of death, regardless of the actual implications it had on them, they once again go down as a covid stat. Hence why other causes of death are down.

    It's not made up, it's not tin hat theory, this is the farcical method in which covid is being documented and yet no other cause of death that had come before has been documented in this way ever.

    People may die WITH covid, some people WILL die because of it specifically, but they really are two entirely different things.
     
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  15. Go and read how covid attacks the respiratory system when it does go wrong and you might understand better.

    Itx not just another flu virus, its a SARS virus which can gavecserious consequences to breathing. If breathing goes wrong, the lungs suffer, if the lungs suffer then the heart comes under strain.

    Lockdowns and restrictions are not about trying to save lives per se, its about protecting the health system so it can cope, not only with covid patients, but all patients.

    Why so many fail to understand that is beyond me but then maybe they are only thinking about themselves.
     
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  16. I betting autopsy departments wouldn't have been able keep up (and costs would have been huge) if a full examination was done on all alleged victims of Covid19. It's a shame, because I think we could have learnt a lot and figures would have been more realistic.
    In Germany if you had heart disease but contracted covid19 your death cert would have heart disease noted as 'cause of death'
    Real figures won't be known for many years, we haven even got a years data yet.
     
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  17. And there is me thinking everyone dies of their heart stopping!
     
  18. You can’t really dispute the fact that at its peak the death toll was almost 2x the annual rate. It then dropped off a cliff and we’re now back on the climb.

    I understand the way we deal with lockdown is subjective, but let’s not hide form the fact we need to contain it....
     
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