This Is Getting Stupid

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by PerryL, Jan 28, 2021.


  1. It’s in the title mate :)
     
  2. like all folks in power, there is plenty to critizise the gov and leadership over, i have several. but you canny critizise them for not using the leavers they dont have. and that is where the opposition and press like to focus. all the while ommiting the fact that it was the opposition that blocked the powers during smith and continue to block now
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1353707506653126658
     
  3. I'm getting a bit fed up with Starmer tbh, as he's too soft and conciliatory. There are a number of problems with that approach, chiefly that decency and fairness is seen by the modern Right as weakness and based on his ratings, it is not making an impression on the electorate. I know its a radical approach but these are radical times and he is gong to lose the next election like Corbyn and Millibrand before him if he carries on in this plodding bloodless manner. I reckon the Labour Party should take a leaf out of the Tories book and have a purge of all their Leave supporting members while at the same time, trying to pinch members from the Lib Dems, or better still, just combine forces.

    At least then we would know what the Party stands for (moderate left of centre social justice and social welfare policies plus renegotiate the deal with the EU) rather than them trying to please everyone but pleasing nobody and just looking like fence-sitters.
     
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  4. starmer also supported trojos visit and critizised one of the candidates for the branch manager vacency for supporting our countries desire not to have trojo here. i guess he will be getting a the phone call from his high paying donors any day now, Telling him who, will, be branch manager.
     
  5. I noticed that too. The Tories must be pissing themselves
     
  6. they started pissing themselves when they convinced those in labour to head bitter togeather. it killed them stone dead here. 50 labour seats lost. and probably forever
     
  7. With some strong environmental policies too, as opposed to help keep the wealthy rich & ideally richer which is what we have now.

    The problem with the Tories purging their party meant all their rejects decided that they should now take over LAB. Unfortunately imo they have taken the leadership over, but I don't think it will last. Starmer is not getting the results.
     
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  8. Agree with that. Also, see my response to @finm

    With a different approach, perhaps not. I think Labour need to concentrate more on winning back support from voters who have switched to the SNP and neutralising the Lib Dem vote-splitting than they do trying to entice Red Wallers back into their camp. IMO, the Red Wallers' UKIP/Faragey politics are now so far out of step with Labour's core values that they should just let the Tories keep them for now and they'll learn soon enough what the Conservatives are really about when they get shafted by them generally and the Brexit deal in particular. Let the Tories tear themselves apart trying to square the circle of pleasing the home counties mustard cords and tweed jacket brigade while also keeping the Red Wallers happy!
     
  9. i wonder what different approach tho, the only one i can think of is actually delivering what they have been promissing for 100yrs now. full home rule/devo max. which would win a reff tomorrow with no campaign required by around 75% yes. near half of labour votors are also Yes votors. they recognise labour can only win an election by appealing to the south and south east, who mostly bennifit from the status quo. but saying that, i dont think there has ever been an election won on the strength of the scottish vote. tho with bit of statistical gymnastics you can, maybe, come to three elections where our vote has helped elect a UK Gov.
     
  10. Thar IS an idea! I'd vote for a SNP MP - even in Gloucestershire! Sturgeon for PM!
     
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  11. Ypp Me too. Perhaps the SNP could cast their net wider to cover the whole of the UK and rename themselves "The British National Party (BNP)"? Oh, hang on. The BNP are already in power down here with a 80 seat majority : unamused::pensive:
     
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  12. ENP Z, ENP.
     
  13. Starmer is a snake like that gove person
     
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  14. I agree.

    but it’s a case of 50 shades of shit at the moment. There’s nobody worth voting
     
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  15. There are plenty of conflicting views on our government.
    But can anyone suggest a suitable alternative?
    I think the current form of government is not working.
    Brexit has thrown a curved ball across politics and covid has not helped.
    Since 2016 we have not been properly governed.
    Maybe it’s time to rewrite our constitution and look at alternative means.
     
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  16. it's not realy rewriting as there aint one to rewrite already. tho there is plenty of gossip sugesting there is a group working on one in the HOL in a spannish stylie, where it states in theirs that no succession is possible. Franco would be proud if true.
     
  17. Presumably, you are referring specifically to Scotland!
     
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  18. Of course it's accepted world-wide that Oxford and Cambridge produce nothing but dimwits! Bit of prejudice creeping in there, me thinks.
     
  19. Written constitution. Scrap FPTP and replace with PR.

    Get some grown ups in the HoC to renegotiate the deal with he EU, preferably along the lines of a Norway type arrangement.

    Not sure what to do about the Press because despite the rise of social media and the internet, the Mail, Sun and Express play a huge part in informing public opinion and much of the political material they peddle is propaganda at best, but often simply lies. Perhaps once politics changes, the Press will change too because one hand shakes the other.
     
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  20. I didn't mean that they were dimwits because they went to those educational establishments. They are simply dimwits, or certainly people who protect the outward appearance of being dimwits, who happen to have done so. However, Eton, not being selective (except financially) produces dimwits by the absolute cart-load, frankly.

    If you look into BoJo's pre-politics history, you'd find that he got where he is via the Old Boy Network. IIRC, after Uni he got a start at The Times, by virtue of his dad's connections. He was sacked from that job after being caught inventing quotes. He then moved to the Telegraph, on account of knowing the editor Max Hastings from Uni. He was not quite sacked from that role too, but was shifted sideways to The Spectator after being implicated in a conspiracy to commit s.18 GBH on a journalist who had annoyed his friend, the fraudster Darius Guppy. He lost his role at the Spectator when after several years of driving his bosses mad with his laziness and unreliability, he double-crossed the owner over his plans to stand for Parliament. So, in a nutshell, a history of being sacked for laziness and lies, yet somehow he seems to fail upwards because "connections" when someone from a less exalted background would be unemployed and unemployable with that CV.

    TBF, Boris isn't stupid but he is lazy and dishonest. He's well-read, he's a decent writer and, until he he wore out his act with over-familiarity due to being on TV almost every day, he was an entertaining and charismatic public-speaker. However, he's totally unsuited to the role of PM as he has none of the work ethic, the leadership qualities (way too indecisive and he's a people-pleaser), the diplomatic skills or the attention span. He's more suited as a sort of court jester or crowd pleaser at conferences and at election time, or when an unpopular policy needs selling to the masses and press. However his stammering-upper-class-twit bonhomie peppered with Latin phrases and classical references (though I note he has toned that part down, as quoting Ovid probably doesn't go over that well in Barnsley) is entirely unsuited to his position as PM at the best of times, let alone during a pandemic and double whammy economic crisis, at least 50% of which is directly his fault.
     
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