So Who’s Had Their Cv19 Vaccination And Which Did You Have?

Long covid is a fave amongst many, that'll run and run, yet the 'symptoms' are so broad much of it could very easily be put down to something else.

However, Mental health problems caused by the lockdowns as well as missed diagnosis (a woman who worked at our business died of cancer a month ago due to arguably late diagnosis, found out very late last year, 4 months later she's gone) well that has my full support and would love to see SAGE members, Johnson and Hancock dragged through the streets over it all frankly

 

Well Monday is the day apparently. Although we're already at the point whereby deaths with covid won't get any lower, nor will positive results from the mass testing. It's just so low now you'll never get less than a couple of thousand positive results when you're testing 1.2m-1.5m people per day, it's just statistics.

I just want them to open up the vaccination centres to all age groups, it's only dragging on because some people in older age groups aren't taking up their opportunity quick enough.

Vulnerable are done, that's that. Everyone has been given their best chance of survival. Now just let anyone register and click through the volumes

 

The vulnerable -and everyone else that takes the vaccine- will not be fully covered until they have had their second jab, and a further three weeks have elapsed AFAIK. Presently those numbers are 6.5million fully vaccinated, and 32 million partially vaccinated with one jab, so its some way off from opening the vaxx to all ages.

 

It should be about capacity first, not age at this stage.

'Most' people who have received the first dose, the 99% that make up died 'with' covid deaths, in other words the vulnerable groups, they at the very least should already have a scheduled date and time for their 2nd jab. I have, everyone else I know who's had the first jab has, thus they're locked in diaries and have taken up part of capacity.

But we have centers twiddling thumbs some days, I know we have because that's exactly how I swung getting my jab (43) and friends and friends of theirs managed to get there's (35-45 ages)

My Mrs is 40, has rang 20 centres trying to get on a waiting list, anything short notice to just get jabbed, and yet all deny its possible when that's just not true.

The vulnerable have their 2nd jabs locked in, now it should be simply about churning through the volume, get it done, get it put to bed.

As an example, here's the centre I went to. And right now this minute and all morning they have capacity unused

 

The second shots must be given within 12 weeks, so the disparity in the numbers of those twice injected and those who are injected once is perhaps part of this, due to availability of supplies?

I know nothing about SwiftQueue, but perhaps they are operated with a similar skill level to Track & Trace?

 

Presumably the remark about track and trace is a disparaging comment suggesting what I've listed from swift queue, the online tool I used successfully to have my jab, must be incorrect, thus you must be right? OK

Vaccine has a shelf life, it has a use by date. It must be used or thrown away.

People who have had the first shot already have their 2nd jab scheduled, if they don't then that's the fault of the place they went to. Because I and everyone else I know has a scheduled time and date.

Mine is on may 31st at 14.40, right in the afternoon of a bank holiday when I could be sat in a beer garden...typical

Yet the point is when you have scheduled bookings you know what stock you need. Planning is easier.

When you have open appointments such as the one example centre in Nottingham today that vaccine is sat waiting, it's taken out of stock ready. It should be used to anyone who can put themselves forward UNLESS someone from the 99% group needs it, hence pre scheduled 2nd appointments.

It's really not rocket science this

 

Any reference to Track & Trace is bound to imply ineptitude. I wouldn't be so quick to assume its an implication that you are incorrect, more that they may have a very limited supply of vaxx & staff at that centre which with a few bookings could change quickly.

The shelf life of Pfizer CV19 vaxx is short and it also requires stringent refrigeration. AstraZeneca by complete contrast lasts six months in a normal fridge. I expect each has a different set of requirements.

 

Certainly isn’t the case everywhere. I’ve not been given a date for my 2nd jab, nor has my mrs, (we went to different jap centres booked through different DRs surgeries but using the same 3rd party text based system I believe)

I’ve been told to expect a 2nd booking to come through 11wks after my first.

as I’ve said before the capacity to jab the under 50’s then 40’s and so on will have to slow for a while due to the numbers jabbed per day in the older demographic. They got up to something like 700k a day, to keep that pace up for first jabs and do the seconds as well they would need to be doing 1.4m a day, I doubt they’ve either the capacity or vaccines to keep that pace up? Tbh I’m surprised I got the text to book a jab a couple weeks ago being 48, especially as they had just announced an issue with supply?

It also seems by far the most ordered is the AZ vaccine and it seems likely they won’t be giving that to the under 40’s now anyway so they will have to wait on availability of the Moderna one or the logistics of the Phizer jab (-70deg storage)

 

I thought the point of the vaccine was to stop you dying, not stop you getting it? Vaccinating everyone else first would ostracise the vulnerable forcing them to stay indoors and not see anyone, while everyone else just went about their business, would have been better for the economy I’m sure but certainly not a vote winner and seeing as the older population are the ones who bother to vote, they are the ones to please

 

Perhaps it differs location or centre then?

but it's odd how my mum of 81 got her 1st appointment at Queens Med Nottingham and was given the 2nd jab date before she left, and 4 friends of mine ranged between 35-43(ish) all got a 2nd slot issued same way and they all had opportunity for their vaccination by way of spare capacity tip offs and literally rushing somewhere in the county at very short notice. And my elder peers at work again all have 2nd slots, many of them live some distance away between 1-2 hour commutes at times.

By booking through the swift queue system (it's linked to Nottingham centres and may even be country wide) you setup an account with your NHS number and contact details, and when I successfully attended jab 1, the jab 2 appointment auto scheduled.

You see this is the problem, differing strategy used makes it harder to plan and maximise stock usage and administer time. Some places could be doing this far more efficiently

 

My wife and I both had our jabs through the Swiftqueue system in Nottingham ( at Gamston ).Everything went through very well.

 

My point about opening up spare capacity slots isn't trying to suggest sidelining anyone at risk, in fact it makes absolute logical sense to help protect those most at risk by breaking infection chains.

Take Viv (@Ducbird ) as an example. She can't choose the age of someone who she might come into contact with, what matters is the volume of people vaccinated full stop, the more people jabbed the more spread reduces thus her risk reduces.

I read this article this morning, that's what made me check capacity at just one of the many centres in Nottingham

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news...ham-one-5280606.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Now, people over 50 without any underlying health conditions aren't what you would class as a high risk group, when you look at the stats being 50-59 years of age hardly makes you an urgent vaccination target.

This is based on a 55 year old male, 180cm high and 90kg using a risk classification tool

https://www.qcovid.org/Calculation



But the fact that 15 minutes away from me is the same centre I went to and seemingly the available capacity hasn't changed much from this morning (see recent screen shot), so there are clearly lots of 50 year olds in and around Nottingham either not bothered, or simply don't know what availability there is.

My point is why should a vaccination centre sit on its hands waiting for people to book on the same day from a select pool of people at this stage of the rollout?

Yes if you're 50 take the invite and book. But surely to God accepting last minute bookings from anyone would make far more sense to use spare capacity, get another person walking around with antibodies, and another safer person to bump into by someone like viv

It's just a numbers game now, nothing more nothing less

 

Do we actually know yet whether the jabs are slowing down the spread (I haven’t seen anything properly legit that says that ?

I work with the nhs and from what I’ve been told they don’t know / aren’t sure / not convinced that it’ll do much or anything regarding transmission.

i know of two people that died recently after having both both jabs. Still caught covid and died.

 

I think you will find that 30 and over will receive Astra Zeneca. An alternative will be available for under 30's. In the over 50s, to date the likelihood of an AZ vaccine related blood clot is around one case per 250 000 people vaccinated—0.0004%—and one death in a million.

https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n931

 

It reduces risk, that's all we can hope for as zero covid is a pipe dream.

That said, by the numbers alone, we are certainly very close to a herd immunity classification, that's about the best any country could hope

 

Sorry about your friends.

I haven't seen anything credible about the transmissibility of CV19 being reduced amongst the vaccinated. I don't think we can really claim that the UK is close to achieving herd immunity until the restrictions are over and the death rates remain at very low levels. Currently the lack of social interaction could give the appearance of the nation having herd immunity, due to the lack of cases, hospital admissions & deaths, but those are affected by more than just the vaxx rollout.

 

Exactly that. Plus we are going in to warmer seasons now which funnily enough means flu cases dropping.