Since when. Have bikes been £20k. As A ball park. New price. Even older bikes. Are all know future classics. Every thing is a future classic if you keep it longer enough. Just my thoughts interested in wot other people think
This is what has made me consider the KTM 890 Duke R as my next bike. It has top level components and is about £10.5k new. 2 year warranty and no big, expensive servicing bill around the corner. When the warranty finishes after two years I will look after it myself. The Aprilia RS660 is the cheaper option at about £9.5k but no flash brakes or suspension. In my opinion, it is Ducati that have things wrong. The nearest equivalent to the KTM Duke (in terms of top level brakes and suspension) is the Supersport S, but that is around £14k! Just looking at European stuff, KTM, Aprilia, BMW and Guzzi all have sensibly priced offerings. If I included Kawasaki, then I could easily go sub £9k new. Ducati are just not competitive at the moment. I would love another one but knowing that I can get a top level KTM for less than 11k then I could not justify a Ducati!
I paid £6850 otr for my last new motorbike January 2020, it’s only the flagship models in certain manufacturers ranges than hit 20K plus though. Also for many these days PCP is the go to method of ‘owning’ these bikes, then once the finance period is done they’ll just step into the next deal. I could never step into a 20K bike, 12 probably my max so hoping the Husky Norden when released isn’t any more than that.
Whoever it was, you can disagree, but these are the facts. Ducati new stuff is overpriced. Used stuff is not too bad, so people who buy new get their pants pulled down when they come to sell.
I was disagreeing with your comparison between the 890 and the Supersport, also to unlock the majority of the 890 toys you need the dealer to unlock.
There is a lot of crap spoken about that. The only thing is the "track mode" where you can turn off the rear wheel abs and, I think, the anti-wheelie control. Some of the more calm reports say that the bike is better on the road and is not meant to be a "track weapon" and for instance, the wheelie control does not stop it from wheelieing, but limits it to the optimum angle of 12 degrees (I think). You only need to turn off wheelie control is you want to do stupid showing off. I assume that KTM are not bothered about attracting this crowd. Anyway, from all of the reports that I've read, I would be put off for all of 0.5 of a second. If, like me, you only want it as a road bike to use, at what MCN said, was the optimum of between 40 and 90 mph, then that's fine. Neeves, in MCN, said that on track days you would be wazed on the straights by 600 to 1000 jap fours and then held up in the corners by them, but it is really good on the road at those speeds. If I get one, then I wouldn't pay, or need, to unlock anything and would just enjoy it on the road.
And even if you did pay to unlock everything, then it is still miles, miles cheaper than the Supersport S.
It’s a little more than just the track pack. ‘The bike we had on test had the addition of the Tech Pack (£655.70) that amalgamates Track Pack (£305.56), Quickshifter+ (£349.28) and MSR (£127.09). Which when considering these options in the showroom may seem like a hefty additional premium, these are well worth having.’ I’ll assume the Supersport S has most of the above as standard not that that’s a very good mirror of a 890, Hypermotard is more of a competitor. Seems to me you’re making invalid comparisons.
I am going on the basis that I would not bother (or want) any of that stuff. Yes, the quickshifter is an extra and I think that it may be standard on the Supersport S but I don't care. And even if you had to pay for all of these options, then it is still thousands cheaper than the Ducati. The important things that I do care about, are the brakes and suspension. All top line stiff on the KTM Duke S as standard. I am not going to pay about £3.5k more for the Ducati Supersport S coz I don't have to pay to unlock things that I wouldn't pay to unlock, anyway!
The KTM Duke 890 R! Sorry, it was the Ducati Supersport S v KTM Duke 890 R! And I realise that the Ducati has a fairing and the KTM has nothing on that category - even a windshield is a paid for extra! That is where the Ducati has an advantage, no question. Just not sure it justifies the price!
You can put a silly price on anything like a 900SS (25k) or MHR (19k), but it is meaningless unless it sells. There are way more "rare classics" for sale than buyers. If you want one, just be patient, have your cash ready, let the seller(s) know your budget and wait. This is effectively what a dealer does. Imagine if there was a website where buyers could post precisely what they want at what price having deposited the cash in escrow?
Stepping in on the KTM argument here as I own the current 1290SDR with Tech Pack, in my experience dealers won't discount the bike but will throw this in at zero cost, so you get all the bells and whistles are the standard RRP.
Some dealers do both some do 1 or the other depending on the stock they’re holding. When I bought my 790 discounted it was completely standard in other dealerships the incentive was Powerparts packages or vouchers at full retail.
I was told by a Fowlers sales person that things may change after the pandemic and Suez blockage, with shortages and no incentive to discount. We shall see......
Modern bikes are best bought at three years old as that's the biggest depreciation hit (the foundation of PCP finance). For around £8,000-9,000 there's no shortage of lightly used bikes that are effectively as new. Classic bike prices have been edging up since the 2008 financial crisis as interest rates have remained very low. Just because they're expensive it doesn't mean they're much fun to ride though. They don't get better because they cost more as they're still old designs and a product of their time. As regards getting a discount of cash or accessories the trade favour the latter as they're only giving you the cost price of those items whereas the customer is factoring in their retail value. Trade cost is typically 30-40% below retail, with high end products often having much smaller margins like Ohlins and Termignoni, around 10-15%.
