New 848 evo corse se or Used base model Panigale ABS?

Neither are meant for commuting but then who cares. You got ur money you ride what you like. I commute into London every day on the Panigale. Do I get hot - yes, is it overkill - yes, do I care - not really. I love it always wanted a Ducati and now I got one. 1800 miles in 3 months, expensive tool for what I use it for a lot of the time but at least it being ridden and when i get out to the country roads it gets the beans so happy days. Certainly beats going on two trains to work and standing next to some sweaty herberts

End of the days its ur money both are not made for that job BUT I am sure you will enjoy either

Kwack

 

I wouldn't get a bike with underseat exhaust if using it in town, your leg will get cooked. Same prob with P'gale I suspect.

 

I tend to feel the heat around top of my legs when standing in traffic. More of RHS for some reason. The exhaust routing and cylinder head are the culprits for this.

To be honest I dont think the heat issue should even come into the decision as if you sit in traffic a lot on your commute you gonna get hot whatever you use - I have on previous bikes, ZX10r, RC8R whatever you use.

In my experience v twins will feel hotter as you typically got a cylinder right near a leg with a piston near enough going up your jacksie whereas on an IL4 the heads are down more towards the front of the bike and so the heat gets dispelled better

 

A streetfighter or hyper might be better for what your gonna use it for but if your hearts set on an 848 or pani then nothing else will do

 

Seems you've already made your mind up.

 

Go and try it.

It doesn't matter what we say or know, its your decision and your money and you will be the one riding it.

But I would seriously get a test ride first. The Pani gets excessively hot in traffic IMHO, to the point where it is burning your thighs.

 

Nobody really cares what you do Simon, do it for yourself , then you've only yourself to blame. Simples. ;-)

 

The new MV looks interesting and has slightly more top end than an 848 according to MV. Having seen the smaller version of the MV close up one thing I noticed is that the build quality isn't he same as ducati a lot of the castings look rough and cheep, don't get me wrong from a functionality point of the view according to the tests the MV delivers. I had a 5 year break from sports bikes moving to supermotos. I loved commuting on the SM it was ace for cutting through the traffic nice and norrow and the handle bars are above the average car wig mirrow. When I bought my 848 recently I thought I'd commute on it when ever the sun wa shining, after three commutes I've decided it's a waste of time. I find myself wishing I was heading for the hills on a proper ride than on the way to work. I won't bother commuting on the 848 anymore unless I know I'm taking the afternoon off to go for a ride. So my advice buy a hyper and ride to work on the back wheel, carve up the traffic and arrive at work shaking with adrenalin rather than arriving with sorr back and wrists having not got the bike out of 3rd gear.

 

I used to have 1098S and I did commute on it every day unless it was pissing down or snowing. All in urban traffic but only about 3 miles. I absolutely hated it! It ruined my dream bike for me. Yes it can be done and it can even be fun at times but 99% of time I just kept thinking 'what a waste'... It's like buying a Ferrari for commuting... yes you can but why on earth would you want to?
Have you considered Streetfighter 1098? It is essentially just a naked 848/1098... you get more power and riding position which is not quite upright but also not as agressive as on a sports bike.

 

I agree.1098s which was an awesome bike I've just sold,its magic on track an good on open roads, but the minute your stuck in traffic or travelling at low speeds it just becomes hard work and takes all the pleasure out if it.

 

It's an interesting question. A bit like saying, "I've got a nut to undo. Which is the better tool, a jackhammer or a jemmy?"

It would appear that in the list of things that are important to you it looks a bit like this:

a) potential power
b) kudos
c) looks and style
d) weather protection


Somewhat down the list is "must not roast rider in traffic".

Nowhere much on your list seems to be

i) allows good observation
ii) comfy on the wrists
iii) can take a bit of luggage if required.


And all that is fine. If your priority list is as described, get either an 848 or a Pani - whichever you prefer.

If some of the secondary considerations are important, get a Hyperstrada, a Hypermotard (if of a hooligan bent), a Streetfighter (which should have enough top end rush to keep you interested but a more traffic-friendly riding position), a Multi - if you want to be practical, or a Diavel if you want to be a bit leftfield and cool cruising in town, but want to have 150 bhp on tap for the A roads.

Looks like you've got a bit of testing to do.

If I had to deal with Geneva traffic on a daily basis, I wouldn't be doing it on my 999. It would be miserable, roast my bum, cripple my wrists, make looking behind me tricky and I would have no fun. It would also get over hot - very over hot on a warm summer's day.

But I am not you. Each to his own.

 

Testing. Funny how things have changed. When did you ever get abtest ride on a bike in the past? Used to be chuck your arse on the seat, make some brum noises, and read the reviews and cash over the counter.

Imagine being a dealer now, all the wasters who test and no inclination to buy. Its why I dont test ride bikes, its wasting peolpes time

 

Experiential marketing, innit?

Personally, there is no way I'd drop a few grand on something I hadn't even had a momentary acquaintance with. Next time I buy a car, I'm going to want to test it for a day, one way or another. I'm going to be living with it for years, so that's the minimum.

The recent massive bike test round my way - all the manufacturers present with half a dozen models each to try out - is surely the way to go. They invested 2 days to get a maximum number for punters on their bikes, but in the full knowledge that most of them would never buy. Law of averages. What was equally certain, is that most of the punters would end up buying something, sooner or later, and if they've test-ridden yours, albeit for 20 minutes or so, they are more likely to be contacting you in the future.

KTM did a good job on me. I rode a Guzzi, a Katoom and an Aprilia, but only KTM sent me (entirely unsolicited of course) a very glossy catalogue and price list. Following up their leads.