I guess the problem with using the word “fact” is it assumes that what it is used for cannot be challenged and is beyond question. Fact is the v4 is a cracking engine, fact is the 1260 v2 is a cracking engine, fact is they’re completely different engines, fact is when measured with technical equipment that has been calibrated they produce very similar levels of power, fact is the v4 uses more fuel to produce that power, fact is the v2 produces significantly more engine braking, fact is the v4 has a smoother power delivery which makes it easier to use. Fact is I’ve ridden both, own a 1260PP and it’s faster a2b than the v4. Fact is lots of riders think they’re quick riders. But unless your prepared to ride at double the speed limit plus (legal or not, dangerous or not, stupid or not), nearly everywhere your not. Fact is I am. Fact is I will be having the new v4 PP , because they’ve finally made the bike I was waiting for.
Just a side note the more you ride the V4 the quicker it gets as you need to relearn the way you ride it , done 2000 plus miles now on mine (V4s)and it’s a great bike , did 12k on last 1200s and that was great but for me the V4 is a great power plant and grows with you as you ride it and I feel it’s quicker as you do tend to ride it like you stole it and once you get there it’s addictive. Can’t wait to get the PP in the Spanish mountains in June . If you like torque forget both and ride the R1250 Gs , now that’s a great bike round the twistys, but runs out of puff a bit as I have blown 2 up hence the change to Ducati again .
While I don't disagree with your comment about not having tested both bikes back to back, they're still tested on the same dyno which is a lot closer to reality than Bennett or MCN which has NO dyno charts for the 1260 as far as I was able to search. There's a lot of happy dynos out there. Obviously, this is a very polarizing topic. Perhaps I should limit my posts to mandatory vaccinations.
Doh! It’s all gone pear shaped. Tin hats all round gentlemen. How about we just stick to discussing the merits of Multistrada’s.
Only for replying to the posts . Never pushed the point others made .Look at the points keyboard riders make when they criticise bikes they have never ridden , classic . I like others have owned and ridden these bikes so are qualified to make the comparisons not based on figures but facts that relate to information and the physical connection to said bikes .
My mates recently jumped in on the KTM 1290 super adventure after clinging on to his 990 SMT His is 2019,same engine & power as the 2021 Gotta say it's undeniably impressive & goes like stink, looks quite mean front on in the black scheme he's got and certainly munches miles comfortable & fast the torque of the thing makes up for sins like bad corner entry, wrong gear, him fiddling around with something.....the usual shit when I look in my mirrors & think wtf is he doing Not my cup of tea from the side profile, then again I'm not a fully committed tourer type guy. I have the XR, but that was bought to do a long very tight scheduled Pyrenees tour, nearest thing I've ridden to get that visceral, agile & fast ride like the 1200s Ohlins multi (pre sky hook) I think I like the new PP V4, problem is I still want a supernaked too.....the biggest problem is I need more money
Even being just over 3 hours using direct roads to French Pyrenees, I still tend to do big days. Just love being in the saddle and 300 mile days are just a ride out to me. So, upright, with fairing etc. Cost. I could afford the PP, but think it is silly to spend that amount of money on something that IMO has gone in the wrong direction again with size/weight. Another GS probably for me 1200 to 1250. Save around 7thousand Euros and I know it works for what I do. Yes, still big and fairly heavy but it not pretending to be something it is not. Also, being able to afford something now, might not translate to being comfortable with the price of the petrol being used in the machine come another year or three. The v4 looks to be a fairly thirsty thing and I cover a lot of miles. The KTM is a bargain price, comparatively. Problems though, reported electrical gremlins very common, ugly as fcuk, they dont hold value. Also, looks like a motorised dustbin carrier with the mahusive exhaust. My GT was an expensive 6 month experience.
The more things change….. New model comes out, some owners (early adopters) jump on it, try to justify the purchase and fall foul of previous generation owners that feel the need to defend the honour of their bikes! I’ve experienced it with my own bikes across 350LC/YPVS, Fireblades, Frazer 1000, Tuono, BMW GS (they were both wrong) and now Multis. Same as it ever was. Enjoy your bikes.
Jesus fuckin weep! Who gives a shit, you want a PP and got the money, then get one, haven’t got the money, then get the standard one, haven’t got that money then buy an old one. If your such a good rider that you can get the most out of anything that’s over 120hp then you probably gave up riding road bikes years ago and wouldn’t be interested in a 170hp tourer anyway! Personally I can tell you that despite having never even swung a leg over a DVT/1260/V4/PP, I can confidently say that I wouldn’t ride it any quicker than I did my 8yr old 1200s and that’s because I’m nearer 50 now (as is or older I’ll bet most of the people considering buying one) and not the fearless invincible 20yr old I once was. If you’ve got £25+k laying around or are happy with the pcp payments and depreciation etc then buy one, you’ve worked hard for what you’ve got so go for it I probably would. But while I’m far from skint for me things like that have to justify their expense to me, so while I could buy a v4PP, I’m not wealthy enough to justify it so I won’t. (I’ll probably buy a 2nd hand 1100 scrambler, most enjoyable 2hrs I’ve had on a bike in ages, and shock horror, that’s only got 85hp )
I never was a ‘fearless, invincible 20 year old’! On a normal ride, I doubt that I’m any slower than I was a couple of decades ago, but I certainly do fewer pure adrenaline rides than I did then, and I’ve slightly (ahem) curbed my habit of out-cornering sports bike riders on a machine with full luggage. Which is still fun though. I’ve still got my original 2010 1200S, albeit thoroughly tweaked to my preferences, for the simple reason that none of the later machines have hit my personal sweet spot for character, agility and excitement. The new PP I’ve eagerly awaited though, and the price is about what I expected, but I still haven’t picked up the phone to the dealer - it’s probably 50:50 whether I make the switch for next spring. The one bike however that would have had me kicking their door down would have been a modern-day ST4s based on the Streetfighter V4S. I may hang out a bit longer then…
If Ducati did not think the V4 was a better bike than a 1260, then they would not have spent £100,000s on developing it. What suits individuals financially or pure fun wise, is different.
Blimey , at 55 now I feel now most close to the fastest on the road as over time and many miles the experience out weighs the bravado of youth . Im a fit old bugger and get better results now racing off road for example as I have learnt a lot more and my time on the bike has increased. I ride only for pleasure and the time spent in the saddle is quality time. I see you point about the money but I can and will and at 55 the clock is ticking , money is to be spent so if you can can . Again its what you can do , and as long as your on a bike , brilliant. Still ride around on my old 500 exc with the super moto wheels on , great bike , but only for a bit as having too many bikes for me dilutes the experience on road , but we are all different.
Personally, I feel the most fun to be had on a road bike is one that has approx 100-120bhp as you can push it harder. That said if you have a 250-300 mile journey ahead, a Multi or similar is the best bike for me. Less tiring for me and the bike is better for covering big miles.
Well, I had my first ride on a V4 multi today, didn’t have it for long, but long enough to know I’ve made the right decision. VERY different to my 1260, but still very involving to ride. The fueling wasn’t perfect, but hopefully the full system & map will take care of that. The auto suspension was brilliant down one of my usual bumpy gnarly roads, soaking everything up at high speed. With the Ohlins it’ll be even better (I hope!). With the smaller screen & front wheel it’ll be interesting to see how it feels, as the V4 feels quite a bit bigger than my 1260. Must be the wider tank? Getting the front wheel up at triple figures was easy. As for fun, you can have fun on a bike with 9bhp, as me and my mate have found on our Monkeys, so don’t go thinking you need a gazillion bhp to have fun, as you don’t. We’ve done 700 miles on ours in just over a week, and have never laughed so much! But adrenaline is a whole different ball game, and the V4 has that in spades.
Im fairly sure they had to so that future emissions standards can be met. Nothing to do with being better. I couldn’t give a dam either way they’ve put the engine in the right bike for me……. I’m in
So 1200 versions then. What sort of miles. On my second one with 26,000 miles on my '17 model. Both have been thrashed fairly hard. Only fly in the ointment so far is the GS gearbox can be notchy, otherwise fault free and cheap to run.
