Starter Spins But Bike Does Not Turn Over

Discussion in 'Technical Help' started by ST3phen, Sep 11, 2021.

  1. Tried to fire up the bike yesterday, starter seemed to try and engage, then there was an odd mechanical sound for a split second then the motor just started to spin freely.
    Sounded like something snapped.

    Any information as to likely cause would be appreciated...

    2016 1200 Multi Enduro 30k miles
     
  2. Sprag clutch springs to mind.
     
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  3. It indeed sound like the sprag clutch is not engaging. This could be related to the springs of the clutch as mentioned above.
     
  4. Took the case off, ran the starter - definitely a starter clutch issue....
    Now to repair...
     
  5. maybe you can tighten the spring?
     
  6. if the bike is a "keeper" then best to change all 3 parts in the long run i.e. - starter clutch and both friction faces.
     
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  7. The parts, the sprag , flange and gear wheel all need replacing. Cost me in parts £370 ish from Snells about 5yrs ago. Then about 2-3 hrs labour. You need a case puller and a flywheel holding tool. Oh and some threebond. It’s an easy job to do. Fun.
     
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  8. Not worth skimping. Bite the bullet and replace all parts of the sprag.
     
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  9. Made myself a case puller - case is off - easy enough.
    Flywheel holding tool... hmmm... thinking about that...
     
  10. The tool is fairly cheap, you can usually get the nut off easily enough with a rattle gun. I have used an oil filter holder ( strap type) to hold the flywheel when tightening.
    Not sure about this engine, but the earlier ones had a shim at the rear of the flywheel whatever you do make sure it doesn't drop down before you tighten it all up.
     
  11. Flywheel removal - I have a good puller but I cannot get the flywheel to budge!
    I don't have the Ducati tool to fit around the flywheel but instead fitted 2 x 10mm pins to the puller to locate in the holes on the OD of the flywheel - it will not budge!
    I have also tried pulling on the M6 screws holding the magnet to the flywheel assembly - without success.
    My next attempt will be to reassemble it and get it to the local Ducati workshop.
    Any advice would be appreciated.
     
  12. The “flywheel tool” is used to simply hold the rotor to prevent it from turning when undoing/retorquing the centre nut.
    I have done this a couple of times and in neither case have I needed to actually “pull” the flywheel off.
    Once the nut is undone, it simply slides off in a vaguely sexual and satisfying manner.
     
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  13. I wish it did slide off, there is another tool than the one you refer to specifically for pulling the flywheel off, clearly some are tighter than others, so to speak...
     
  14. I have now tried everything to remove the flywheel, loads of force on the puller, followed by loads of heat and force, it has not budged, could it be 'glued' in the splines?
     
  15. Maybe it's been off before and someone put loctite on the splines. As stated earlier it should just slide off the splines once the nut is removed.
     
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  16. Eventually I removed the flywheel, made a pulling plate from 1/2" steel and pulled on the 8 off 6mm threads holding the rotor to the flywheel/inner starter ring.

    Puller arrangement.jpg

    The starter clutch is in many pieces.... Starter clutch condition.jpg
     
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  17. Well done, "where there's a will there's a way" - love the puller. :upyeah:
     
  18. The 'will' was beginning to fade...
    The puller is a hydraulic Sykes Pickavant, my smaller mechanical puller was ineffective at moving the flywheel. So much for it just sliding off!!
     
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  19. Wow, that was a stubborn basterd… Well done m8! Many people would have given up long ago…
     
  20. yes, meant the whole thing, your ingenuity and determination with the "cylindrical spacer" and the f.o. big plate. :)
     
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