Engine confusion

Discussion in 'Ducati General Discussion' started by He11cat, Jul 21, 2013.

  1. I don't want to own something iffy if that's the case even to tinker with.
    If I ever wanted to lump in something I can't if its dubious :(
    If I ever needed to sell I'd never pass something dodgy onto anybody :(
     
  2. :rolleyes:

    Go to the police then if you suspect its nicked and let them have contact details of who you bought it from, seems quite easily tracked ^^^^

    And Phil H from memory is a tinkerer, always chopping and changing bits from all over so no surprise if its Triggers engine. Eg is the engine a 400 wrapped in 600 casings?! Ducati are know for using whatever is in the bin that day especially on older bikes
     
  3. I can't really see what Plod could do about it, if the engine number isn't original and therefore can't be traced other than by going back through various owners who could well have changed bits and pieces over the years......

    ...............a check with Ducati Italy could well say whether the engine number is a genuine one or not. At least that would be a start.........email Stefan at Ducati at this [email protected]

    AL
     
  4. Thanks Al il do that.
    the 400 engine is identical to the 600ss engine with a different bore and stroke.

    im not being funny Bradders but il be completely pissed off if someone's sold me something iffy.
    I wouldn't do that to someone but sadly as I've seen before lots do.
    there are sadly a few track bikes running questionable stuff which is why you often get the police turn up to check bikes out.
    Less now days .. But used to happen :( :(
     
  5. Email sent lets hope someone can shed some light on it.
    pity can't get in touch with Phil H really :( :(
     
  6. Its iffy. the engine numbers are home made
     
  7. I have to say, Mel, that it does look decidedly dodgey... Quite what you do about it is difficult to say - you obviously bought it in good faith but now feel uncomfortable that it might not be 100% legal. You could try asking DVLA to identify the engine for you - maybe they can tell you what it came out of...
     
  8. Or at least they may be able to say if it's a genuine number or not...
     
  9. stick it on ebay, sold as seen, identity unknown, at least then its someone elses problem, and they might not feel so bad about having nicked stuff in the cellar
     
  10. As Pete has stated, early Pantah numbers are hand stamped I to the cases behind the rear cylinder. The area where later motors have the numbers is a row of fins and so couldn't be stamped even if you wanted.
     
  11. Then I could get done for flogging it.
    charming someone obviously knew ..
    what a see u next Tuesday and that's a word I have used twice in my life ..,
    just goes to show you still bent bikes on the scene then .
    It was sold to me via eBay as a 400 ..
    I went to Cambridge to collect it .
    nothing like screwing over another biker then.
    too late to go to eBay and get my money back as well !!!
    I probably was going to have to flog it as I'm crazy broke right now due to a lot of stuff going tits up .
    Really not happy .
    I guess my fault for one not checking and two being too trusting.

    I can't stick it on the bay because if someone buys it then turns round and says oi !
    knowing my luck il be in deep crap.

    I have no bloody idea what engine I now own so can't even break it!!
    great life gets better and better at the mo.
     
  12. Well I guess il just have to sell the oil cooler :(
    nab the belt covers off it and strip and polish them and possibly strip the engine for spares if any good and take it on the chin.
    I am not lowering myself to the level of selling something that I'm not 100% sure of .
    I'm not that sort of person .
    At worst il have to cannibalise it or strip it and try and learn the engine.
    lesson learnt and a nice chunk of cash on a worthless lump I'm now stuck with.
    obvioisly why he stripped that bike down and got shot .
     
  13. Isnt that why you said you bought it: learn how these things work and use it for spares? Still failing to understand what you have lost given the intention to buy it
     
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  14. That was my intension ...
    but also things have got so dire in the couple weeks or so I debated wether to flog it.
    my poor bike needs some work and this week no word of a lie we got down to about £5 .
    Never in my older life has it got that bad.
    id like to thank the NHS for that gem :( :(
    left me and my boys in a mess.
    I flogged my fav crash helmet ( I didn't wear much).
    It got to what next .
    I'm more broke going to work then friends who say f it why should I :(
    so it was what next do I part with and that's a luxury item .
    If it was a genuine 400 engine I'd have eaten my lawn instead ..
    I thought crap its a 600ss.. Not much point in keeping it then.
    every asset I have if tied up :( :(
     
  15. The most important thing to me right now is food on table and fuel .
    The rest can wait til I get sorted.
     
  16. just sell it as 'Buyer beware' Melanie, just because it's re-stamped doesn't mean it's necessarily nicked and for such a small total worth Police wouldn't be interested in investigating anyway. If you can get a mate to give it a churn with a remote battery and check both compressions - 130 p.s.i. upward would be good, specially if no squirt of oil first - then has to be worth £200 upward (with both fingers crossed and repeating the 'Buyer Beware' bit.
     
  17. Strip the engine, check the bore size so you know what you've got then keep anything you think might be suspect on your bike and flog the rest piece by piece.

    You won't get as much as you would for a complete running engine but you'll get something for the barrels, heads, gearbox, alternator etc. and once you've shifted everything bar the dodgy crankcase go and sling it in the river. You'll have had the experience of stripping the engine and you'll have cut your losses without leaving someone else with the problem of shifting a suspect engine.
     
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  18. I wouldn't get hung up over 'dodgy' looking engine stampings. My custom built engine has no engine number at all, and the crank cases were supplied new from the factory that way.

    I bought a project engine, with smashed cases where a chain had let go, and managed to get hold of some new old stock crank cases still in a Ducati box, and built my 'new' engine up like that.

    I wondered if I should transfer the engnine numbers from the old cases to the new ones, but with hand stamps, its always going to look amateur, so I left it blank.

    Engine numbers don't matter anyway, I think that a lot of the vehicles I have owned over the years have had engine swaps of one sort or another. So long as the VIN number tallys up with the V5, then I wouldn't worry.
     
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  19. I've offered to take it off her hands (at the right price, no questions asked).......

    ....but in view of what she said about being really short of cash, maybe others (that means YOU) should have a shot on an On Forum auction??.........

    Not that I would pay over the odds for it though..........

    AL
     
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  20. Good idea. Just buy it and break it then the job's done.
     
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