For those comparing 959/v2 weight to the 1299, don’t bother… for a start the 1299 (all models) has a mag subframe rather than steel, and also has mag front nose subframe, so that’s a good few kilos jusy there, then the v2 has twice as much catalytic material in tbe exhaust, not to mention all the charcoal cannister stuff that used to only be on us bikes and now has to be on all euro 5 bikes. Oh and then there is all tne additional engine sound deadening that has to go on the v2 to get through Euro 5
And this shows you why, Ducati’s own dyno chart when they released the V2.. Just look at the massive dip on power and torque in the mid range! My 899 with the BST carbon wheels feels as fit as a butcher’s dog all the way through the rev range
Also important is where the weight is carried (effect on handling). A purely subjective view just from moving my bikes around the garage. Heaviest feel. S1000rr by some way. Then V2 Then gsxr 750. Which is feather light 175kg dry 176kg dry 165 with 5l fuel. So while the Ducati and bmw are similar the BMW must have a significantly higher CoG. On the road all feel flickable and agile. The GSXR is in full track trim. The v2 could certainly do with losing a few Kgs for sure. Wheels and exhaust are easiest gains. The Bayliss has a lithium battery as standard.
And it’s SO obvious when you ride it, the amount of people who said ‘well just ride it above 6k all the time’ it just doesn’t work like that all the time, it just got so frustrating. For me it proved that Euro 5 will require manufacturers to up the cc even further, if the V2 was 1000cc I think they could have kept the midrange, I don’t know why they didn’t do that other than the fact they had the 955cc pistons kicking around.. the engine is the 1299 block sleeved down, surely they could have made a 1000cc bore and stroke and mapped it and it would have been amazing
I can’t really comment properly on the above re torque other than look at the (Ducati) graph as I’ve been running in and limited to 7000 rpm ish. But. It doesn’t feel flat or underpowered on the road to me. It is (like the 959’s) clearly a revvy bugger though. The 5 miles post run in service confirmed that. But for me it’s all irrelevant. I’m lucky to have a few bikes. The V2 was bought quite simply because I think it looks gorgeous. I don’t care it is a tribute bike (which it is), that it’s not a Limited Edition (which it isn’t), or that it’s not got 200bhp and a torque curve like a Chieftain Tank. I bought it as its (for me) a bit different, a bit special - a feel good bike. I love it.
My 899 with sssa, carbon wheels, Termi’s and magnesium r/h/s 2 piece engine case and cylinder head rocker covers is 185 kg fully fuelled
Totally agree!….all the Panigale’s look gorgeous and I’m not knocking the bikes, it’s just this emissions business that Ducati have to try and work around, the less Euro numbers 4,5 etc the better the bikes run. Now can you imagine if Ducati didn’t have to comply with the Euro numbers and they had a free hand to set the bikes up how they wanted them to be,…that power/ torque curve would be convex ( bulging ) instead of concave how it is now,…then they would feel absolutely awesome on the road
To supplement the information provided in post #160, the following data is taken from the 2016 Ducati Panigale R manual: Gearbox 6 speed with DQS Primary drive 30/53 Drive ratio 1.72 Final drive 15/41 Gearbox type With constant mesh spur gears, operated by a lever on the left side of the motorcycle Transmission Gear ratios 1th 15/37 2th 16/30 3th 18/27 4th 20/25 5th 22/24 6th 24/23 Tyres Front: Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SP, 120/70 ZR17 Rear: Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SP, 200/55 ZR17 The transmission gear ratios above are as stated in the previous post, while the OEM final drive is given as 15/41. Hope it's of interest. Tom.
The funny thing is even though euro 5 is needed to sell bikes in this country there not actually a legal requirement once the bike is bought, the v2 could be a cracking bike by junking all the euro bollocks (as are most bikes) think the new r1 has 5 cats on it
Mag wheels would be my choice on this bike. The subframe is a good point. They weigh a ton as standard. Not bothered about the system to be honest, I’d rather keep standard despite the weight. Maybe tomorrow
Lightweight wheels Rich and a full remap to remove all the Euro bollox. Your bike would run miles better.
Full system ordered for Jan 2023; BST carbon wheels already fitted. Is an 1199/1299 subframe an easy swap? I think I saw mention somewhere that the cast subframe needed a different tank fitting bracket from the 959?
The 899 and 1199 rear o/e tank mount to subframe is different. Look on eBay at second hand tanks etc and you'll see the physical difference.
An early Xmas present in the form of a couple of bits of carbon been fitted. Can’t wait for spring especially as the evenings are now starting to get lighter
