Motogp Rnd 4 Le Mans

Discussion in 'Racing & Bike Sport' started by John Mac821, May 4, 2023.

  1. Would it even be worth Yamaha building a V4 as it’s unlikely to filter down into road bike development now.

    Marquez when he came into Motogp was a massive step faster than pretty much everyone else week in week out.
    I don’t think any other rider will have as much influence on making all other riders rethink their riding technique as he has.
    The reason he no longer wins every week is because all the young generation have copied his riding style and made it work like he did.
     

  2. Yep
     
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  3. makes sense when you think about it though as they’re having to run mega corner speed to try and live with the ducatis straight line speed advantage.

    I used to loose the front a lot on the 600 trying to get past 1000’s with their ‘point and squirt’ nature. Whilst the entry speed on a litre bike is similar, the apex speed is vastly different generally.
    - guintoli likens motogp bikes to 600’s/moto2 bikes with shit loads of power. Perhaps bar the Ducati? As that looks a bit point and squirt.
    It’s also partly why us brits seem to struggle more so in the Gp paddock as the U.K. racing is production based whereas Europe look at it a lot differently. They come up through small capacity machines with big corner speed, we generally jump as quickly as we can to 1000’s which you don’t run corner speed on.

    anyway, that’s another story :)
     
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  4. Maybe you are right, braver man than me to bet against him though.
     
  5. Yep it’s pretty obvious the Honda isn’t there yet and is struggling but he was up there at the sharp end for most of the race that says everything about how hard he has to push the limit! Who else could? Le Mans isn’t the best gauge, not the stickiest track and first race on the new chassis! Let’s see when he gets to some better tracks and had a bit more time on the Kalex!
     
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  6. Alex Rins says hi, remember me from COTA? :)
     
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  7. Sado’s aren’t they? The haters I mean. Let me explain- MM has drawn so many haters because he was the man that totally handed Rossi his arse. And it hasn’t gone down well with the Rossettes. I seem to remember Stoner getting the same hate too when he was beating Rossi…. MM didn’t win every battle with Rossi but he certainly won the war. I do smile at the confected outrage when MM bangs in a tough overtake, like he’s the only one that ever does it….

    Yeah, when the sheeps idol gets put to sword, the sheep don’t like it. I’m old enough to remember Larry Holmes knocking the bejesus out of Ali- effectively ending Ali’s career. Guess what? Everyone started hating on Holmes….
     
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  8. I remember that well buddy, Holmes in an interview years later said it broke his heart too, was awful to watch I remember that!
    To be honest I watch GP, WSB,BSB all of it and of course like all of us I’ll shout at the TV when it’s a moody pass but there are very few riders if any I don’t have max respect for purely because of the skill and bottle involved,
    Simoncelli was always up to no good but everybody including me loved the lad because he went for it and had a lovely personality! They’re all trying out of their skin and none of them want to bin it or cause anyone else to bin it surely that’s obvious! The only riders I don’t really like are the arrogant ones ! If we want PROPER racing there can’t be any complaints unless of course it’s an absolute blatant deliberate take out but I don’t believe that would ever happen, we all have different opinions though:upyeah:
     
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  9. well said
     
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  10. Exactly. Look what happened with Pecco and Vinales on Sunday. Race incident, move along, nothing to see here. But if MM had been involved… omg, buckle up for the recreational outrage :rolleyes:
     
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  11. I just loved the Luca Marini elbow save attempt. That shows the presence of mind these guys have to even attempt a save when all around you is saying NO.
     
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  12. it was incredible wasn’t it! He came so close to save of the year until he got collected! Gutting!
     
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  13. I always look at those pics/vids on Insta of them all at Rossis ranch with absolute green eyed envy lol. What a time they must have together and sliding about sideways all week must give them the confidence (or at least help) to try moves like that.
    Superb.
     
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  14. Not forgetting Vietti’s astonishing save in moto 2 qualifying…..
     
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  15. It seems a front end wash out is not now the forgone conclusion it used to be.
    I must remind myself next time to hang on in there, just in case the front bites again so it can properly flip me over the bars :p
     
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  16. Ask Oliveira who was out for a few rounds due to another of Marc's long list of mistakes, this isn't the first time and unfortunately won't be the last. We can go back over a decade and see his antics and how he's changes the lives/fortunes of other racers, look at Ratthapark Wilairot for example. You'll say who because his career pretty much end back in 2011 from Marc stupidity on a cool down lap... a cool down lap.

    https://www.motorcyclenews.com/spor...gp-marc-marquez-penalised-after-horror-crash/

    Falling off yourself is different to making a rash move and taking out another rider and injuring them in the process. Somehow, probably passport related he's managed to avoid any penalties for his reckless behaviour.

    And believe me, being an ex-club racer you wouldn't be doing that yourself as you'd end up with a black eye back in the pits.
     
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  17. Spot on that imo (and good memory with regards Wilairot!).
    I saw someone say its never deliberate, but his move on Aleix (T1) at Austria was as close as you'll get to that for me, it went beyond reckless.
    I wanted to give him a shiner god knows what Aleix felt like lol.
     
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  18. Im not saying he’s not guilty of some wreckless mistakes bud I’m just saying it happens with lots of riders, so you’re saying as an ex club racer you’ve never made any rash moves? Well I’ve raced since 2002 and I’ve made some optimistic moves ,I’ve also been T boned whilst leading a championship,had my hand knocked off the bars etc etc, the list is endless and believe me I’ve never dished out a black eye regardless of how mad I’ve been at the time, I’m fully aware of what can happen I’ve lost 4 good mates on track ,one being my teammate to a wreckless move so like everybody that goes on track I know the risks, I was just pointing out that in my opinion Marquez is not any worse than some riders( watch ssport 300) anyway we all have our own opinions and that’s all cool:upyeah:
     
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  19. It's funny how different riders are seen differently by fans, a d I do think part of the reason marquez gets it so tough is because he beat rossi. As mentioned in an earlier post, simoncelli could be a but wild, but everyone seemed to love him. I liked him myself. But he was told by a couple of riders, if he carries on like that ,someone would get seriously hurt. And someone did.
     
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  20. I dont think anyone can deny the incredible talent that MM obviously has/had.
    But after all of the accidents, hurting himself, hurting others, running * people off the track, collisions, …should the penny not have dropped by now for him that it is possible to collect points without putting everyone on the grid at risk each time he rides?
    There seems to be a clear lack of respect for the wellbeing of other riders on the grid. Race history and facts prove this.
     
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