916 The 001 (of 202) Foggy Rep

Discussion in '748 / 916 / 996 / 998' started by Nick_996, Jun 14, 2023.

  1. The auction date and time has been changed, it's now:

    LIVE AUCTION: Sunday 30th July | 12.00pm BST
     
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  2. Will you be bidding on this one, Alex?
     
  3. Nope. Just interested in what it goes for :cool:

    On close inspection of the images, I noted the following:

    Front brake rotors show excessive wear
    Odd coating over the frame VIN (perhaps to mitigate corrosion, seen this on multiple bikes)
    Scratches on the exhaust up-pipes
    Some interesting wear and dirt marks on the frame
    Fine scratches all over the rear Ohlins reservoir
    Excessive wear on the front forks (leaky seals?)
    Marks on the right heel guard
    Drip marks on the clutch cover
    Rear tire has been cleaned and dressed (front has not, a little sus).
     
    #23 92GTA, Jul 7, 2023
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  4. Yet another example of when the professional achievements of somebody and their actual nature as a person
    just don't match up ...... there are plenty of examples out there !

    I remember Foggy saying this about one of his rivals .....
    " .... some fat bastard that happens to have a fast bike . "

    I can't remember who he was referring to though .

    [​IMG]
     
  5. Both discs look like they have a few miles on them!, But who wouldn't disconnect the speedo and ride their bike at least once? I guess the only way to really inspect would be to put a camera down the bore to check for carbon build up..
     
  6. My guess is that it's had a hard exhibition mile put on it at a track or similar. I don't see any other way to get the brake discs that worn in only 1 mile or less. It would also explain some of the other wear that's certainly non-characteristic for a NOS museum-exhibited bike.
     

  7. I’m going with Troy corser what do I win? :)
     
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  8. They just posted the quick walk-around video for it... 18secs in 480, oh boy lol

     
  9. Shameful job. A few seconds & one side only.
     
  10. The other sides a write off!
     
  11. Could be worse...it could be yellow..like that half-and-half one..:D
     
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  12. It does show better in the Bike Iconics ad images. What I mistook for scratches on the rear Ohlins res appear to have just been a bunch of surface dust/grime in the light, and the brake discs don't look as bad wear-wise. Even the rear tyre looks more like it should.
     
  13. Get the main man to deliver in person and double your money.o_O
     
  14. A week till the hammer (or axe, if you prefer) on this one!
     
  15. As the moment approaches, I've also been looking at this Senna 1 that is still brand new:

    https://www.silverstoneauctions.com/sa087-lot-20734-1995-ducati-916-senna-1-916cc

    It seems in better condition than the SPS FR, but it has a ton of really bad corrosion bubbles under the frame paint on the right side as I've never seen before, which is scary. I suspect it's contamination under the paint from new due to Italian prep work. Either way, because it's in such an obvious position, the frame will need refinishing. Also, its brake rotors appear to show that it was PDI'd and ridden a mile or less. Could certainly use some ACF50 rubbed all over its exhaust as you can see the weld seams getting pretty dam dark and a few surface pits starting here and there.

    A note on the brakes. As a point of comparison my bike was never PDI'd/ridden and I noticed when I got the bike that it had an oil coating over the discs, which the original owner said was there for protection from the factory (Brembo) just like the wax on the chain sorta thing. Mine had never been detailed and it did have more dust in the oil on the rotors than I liked so I cleaned them with denatured alcohol on a rag (it took many and wow it came off black!!!) and then recoated them. - My point is that the brake discs on these bikes might appear worse than they should be because they were either cleaned during the PDI or wore off during their PDI test ride, and never re-coated. Resulting in surface corrosion collecting more aggressively than it should manifesting as exaggerated wear (combined with the fact these were ridden a mile a or less).

    You can tell the chain was wiped clean on these of its protective grease/wax, especially the Senna. WHY?! Idiots.

    God forbid they show a clear hi-res image of the fuel tanks. I bet they were never drained, not misted with oil, and look like the Titanic! Nevermind the fuel pump, fuel lines, and injectors from not being ran dry. These never should have been PDI'd in the first damn place if they were going to be kept "as-new".

    All goes to show you can't just let these things sit, even in the most optimal of storage conditions. They must be cared for even with just a small degree of effort. Don't even get me started on the hydraulic fluid being hygroscopic or accelerated galvanic corrosion from leaving the battery attached either amongst other things. While things like the brake discs can be carefully corrected with 0000 steel wool in the right direction and oil, I think it says a lot about previous owners and how much they loved and cherished their bikes vs. the ones that put these away for pure investment speculation and put zero effort into it. Even museums should take better care than they do in their conservation efforts in most cases - sadly nearly all car/bike museums have no on-staff professionally trained conservators like real museums.
     
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  17. So these are the figures on the hammer. Trust that all could have fetched higher figures with a better crowd:

    2012 Ducati Panigale 1199S Tricolore (Brand new and unused): GBP 17k (Euro 19,950)
    1995 Ducati 916 Senna 1 (Brand new and unused): GBP 40k (Euro 46,170)
    1998 Ducati 916 Carl Fogarty Replica (Ex-Ducati owned - Carl Fogarty Replica No.001 of the 202): GBP 60k (Euro 70,680)

    with buyers premium of 12.5% plus VAT (15% incl VAT) to be added in addition to each of such amounts.

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  18. Taking into account the buyer's fee + VAT, the SPS FR sold for US$88,637 which in my mind is great sell. I believe it still set a new record publicly for 916 series bike.

    US$59,091 all in for the Senna 1 seems perhaps a little soft but there doesn't seem to be as much of a following for those anyway so it feels right.

    Looks like in the next 12 months we may see a US$100K+ 916/996/998 generation bike if someone wants to pull a zero mile 955 SPA out at the right time/place.
     
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