Hi all, I'm bored and stuck in another country away from my new '09 1198 - its not an S or and R so doesn't have traction control. Been watching the very few YouTube videos about my new bike (which i only had the chance to ride for 20 minutes before buying it and they flying out) and the vids all seem to ignore the base 1198 and review the 1198S and big up the need for traction control. Grateful for opinions, here about how usable the base 1198 is. I am guessing it will come down to individual skill levels - mine are not the highest i guess (motorcycle instructor, IAM Advanced rider, blood Biker, track days on my CBR1000RR) but its all relative. So jump in everyone, i won't get back to my bike until next Thursday and will be jet-lagged to F*** for a few days. Picture just for fun - on a ride earlier this week here in Arizona on a rented BMW S1000R (gutless)
@bootsam fitted TC to his 1198 I believe. Mind you, I have a 1098R with Ducati OEM TC and it is worse than useless. Used it once and never switched it on again.
If it helps I’ve got a 1098S. I’m not at your skill level but do try to give it some stick and have never felt the need for TC. Ride the bike when you can and see how you feel then.
You might be better looking at a standalone system, the oem ones by even modest standards are primative but at a guess, wheel speed sensors of a 1198s and a ECU and a dash that thing they are a 1198s and you should be good, certainly not worth it but possible and more possible than trying to fit it in a 1098
Gripone does a system that i was looking at for my 999 prior to selling it on.. https://www.gripone.com/traction-control-ducati/attachment/1098/#gref
Another member who has done it https://www.ducatiforum.co.uk/threads/1198-2011-ecu-image-for-dtc-upgrade.73009/
https://www.bikesportdevelopments.co.uk/ Get in touch with these guys, they should be able to get you sorted out.
I confirm that I did it and that it works! Everything is documented in my posts. The most difficult part was to upgrade the ECU with the image that is still on the dropobox link shared by @locknload595 . If you have experience with GNU/Linux and some afternoons to invest, you should manage. For the rest there is just the front wheel sensor to buy and connect to the existing loom (there is the plug already), and the DTC module which should be fitted under the seat. People sold them on eBay (not sure how the situation is four years later).
a friend I raced with a long while back had a nemesis aftermarket system fitted to his 1098r but it was very rudimentary at the time. check them our they may have much better systems available these days
What was it RickyX just bad implementation..? e.g. hard-ignition-cut-out or was the effect jarring ? I'm curious as there is one of these on the horizon for me and I'd like to be aware of the characteristics compared to modern bikes... Bear in mind I don't think I've ever had the SFV4 unit activate, well not knowingly anyway... obviously not pushing hard enough
I found it rather agricultural in the way it activated. As I said, I only used it once (on one session of a trackday at Brands) - I felt much better in control without it as I knew what my right hand was doing rather than some first generation ecu telling me what the bike needed to do.
I've got a bikesportdevelopments.co.uk nemesis traction control for sale. https://www.ducatiforum.co.uk/threa...-848-1098-1198-price-drop.87677/#post-1883587 I heard good things about them and once set up it works well. Takes a bit of calibration including with the level of the gyro unit. I know some people are still using them in club racing (a friend has one on his GSXR 1000) so they can't be too bad. Just don't need it on my 848 (was being overly careful after back surgery).... especially as it has a blown engine after i got gravel in the belts....a long story but not related to traction control :-/
I also had this on my 1098R. And yeah, quite agricultural to say the least. So much so I turned it off because whenever it came in it was unsettling. My advice to the OP is don’t bother. I loved my 1098R and all the rawness and sphincter twitchery that came with it
Comparing a std 1098 R traction system to anything is wrong, of course it’s agricultural !! the FULL nemesis system ( not just the small box that added to to the std system) work well on a 1198 etc but it’s not like a v4 panigale system. As a measure of how good a tc abs system is count the number of pick up points on the front hall sensor! 1098r 6 Nemesis 8 V4 millions Divide it by 360 to see how often the brain of the system is getting new information 1098r every 60 degrees of rotation V4 something like every 7 degrees of rotation
The electronics on my Panigale V4S was certainly a revelation after hopping off the 1098R. But make no mistake, physics (inertia, mass, momentum etc) will always trump any amount of pixies in the ECU. Go in too hot and you’ll still be cart wheeling into the scenery. The trick is learning how to ‘lean’ on the electronics.
The laws of physics will always win funnily enough, that’s why the technology is there! It does make me laugh when people say they need to get rid of the ABS as it stood them up into a corner …. of course it did… or would you rather of crashed as you exceeded the grip level?
