Motogp - Potential MURDERER of BSB & WSBK ?

Discussion in 'Racing & Bike Sport' started by Dubs, Aug 21, 2013.

  1. What say you..

    Personally, I dont really enjoy motogpee any more. Its not entertaining, there's zero excitment., Even the commentators are rehashing terms of phrase, reciting the good timnes etc etc. Stoner had the right idea, get the fcuk out and leave them all to the politics.

    Dorna can change all the rules they wanbt but there is a drawback to this.

    I have no doubt that WSBK & BSB will affected. Why should Dorna get theiur own way ( all of the time ) with their agendas and greed.

    It stinks, drives me nuts. WSBK & BSB are years and miles ahead of motogp.

    BSB in fact, I reckon, is the best run race series around.

    Motogpee is rotten to the core, Id rather motogpee take the hit and be disbanded and thrown into a canal full of dead rats but this aint gonna happen as its the "premier class".

    I hope Im wrong but watch, BSB & WSBK will be hugely affected. Stuart Higgs will have a fight on his hands.

    End of rant.
     
  2. What is this Motogpee?
     
  3. BSB wont be affected. I dont think DORNA have any say. Besides its miles better than MotoGP which is frankly dire and irrelevant. WSB is owned by DORNA I believe so its under threat I guess but the supersport and superstock has seen the better of the racing here anyway.

    I see little point in MotoGP other than a forum for Honda to play in. It is irrelevant these days. WSB is more relevant to the biker on the street. At least the racing is closer and the racers less prima donna. Without Marquez and Vale its dead in the water. Lorenzo has as much charisma as I do. Pedrosa is even worse. Marc is a bit of a saviour for it coz hes frankly nuts and we are all only watching to see when he kills himself and how. The Ducati is a dog with no nose. The Yamaha dull and the Honda a sewing machine. Yawn. I only watch it for Vale and Marc.

    BSB is cracking. The racers have some life in em and dont start getting wobbly when fairings bash. But I admit to loving BSB Superstock at the moment and the supersport etc. The lesser races are really good fun and the racers are proper care in the community nutjobs. Great fun.
     
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  4. I think that we'll end up with a motogp/WSB hybrid, with wsb being "dumbed down" to superstock which is where it should be I reckon. Keep super sports too, all run on the same weekend same venue.
     
  5. for me the fun is at the moto3 and moto2.
    just crackin racing

    hopefully will be at cadwell this weekend for a great bsb race in 30 degree heat (...dreamin) :)
     
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  6. if BSB can get it going and put not too much limits on the bikes, it could develop in THE series.. with factories supporting teams and riders... the brits will just slaughter them on the slopes op cadwell and oulton :)
     
  7. 5/10 - promising but could rant more :wink:
     
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  8. If we go back in time World Championship racing was mainly people who could afford it bought bikes and spent loits tuning them and then raced. factories took an interest and built bikes especialy for the racing. Guzzi V8 to name one. Just before the second world war BMW built a superchrged bike When racing recommenced supercharging was banned.
    In the 50's Gilera and MV started racing. There race bikes bore no resemblance to what they sold for the road
    The Japanese arrived in the 60's and again produced bikes purely for racing. It demonstarted there Engineering prowess.
    Hondas 5 Cylinder 125, Yamahas V4 250 etc
    One by one the Japanese left and MV won most of the time
    F750 started in the 70's where road bike engines were tuned and put into special frames until a row erupted when Yamaha produced a 750 inline 4 2 stroke which they didn't produce for the road although I think prototypes exhisted
    It was about this time that GP's turned to the 500 2 stroke
    and so WSB was born

    Anyhow I believe that WSB should go back to its roots and race bikes that come from the showroom so we can relate to them.
    MotoGP should stick to the course its on, Factories producing cutting edge bikes regardless whether we can buy them and leasing engines if people want them to stick in there own chassis and CRT where the rules say that the engine used should be available to the general public in a bike even if it does cost £50-100,000
     
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  9. BSB could only affected if WSBK disappears and it would benefit further from it tbh. It's gone back to basic rules or an EVO style type of bike racing series. Where there is no Electronic Gizmo's and no £100Grand plus ECU's. the racing is good to watch you only need to check out Tommy Bridewell on the Kawasaki at Oulton Park to see how good BSB is. Dont forget the top 3 and how things swing depending on setup etc. Even the other classes are interesting. I think there'll always be WSBK & SSTK, but it wouldn't surprise me if WSBK becomes a fully privateer series, whereby some of them have a degree of Factory support WSBK series needs to look at BSB and the CIV (Italian series) and take a leaf out of there books tbh.. Moto 2/3 are good to watch but MOTOGPEE is pi$$ poor and I bet 1 Casey Stoner is laughing back at Walkabout Creek in Oz with all the BS & politics in Major sport right now.

    F1 what a joke that is too.
     
  10. incidentally cadwells lap record is still held by a ducati 999 :)
     
    #10 Phill, Aug 21, 2013
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  11. Racing is losing it's soul in the premium classes, it is a battle between engineers limited by tyres.

    I thought Sunday's MotoGP race was a good one though.
     
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  12. Thats what has ruined MotoGP the "here's the tyres now effing lump it" rule. As much as i Like Rossi I think his tantrum at yamaha when he wanted Bridgestones hastened the rule coming in
     
  13. Hilarious turn of phrase! The biggest laugh of the day!
     
  14. I hold it in contempt, hence the "pee" bit. My bad.


    Cool stat that ! :upyeah:
     
  15. I just don't get the hype.

    i have watched every race this year, and don't see what VR is doing different to other riders.

    JL
    DP
    CC
    AB
    NH
    AD
    SB

    all making passes and having battles. Jeez, last week even saw BSmith show his wheel.

    i left off MM because he is making passes and making them in a way at times which I don't think is right. I would have penalised him for his moves on VR and JL at Laguna Seca and Jerez, as would the organisers of WSB or F1 had he been racing in those disciplines.
     
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  16. World Superstock and Supersport is the best racing at the moment.

    I've just watched BSB trundling round at Cadwell and that was dull too. Much as Cadwell park is a great venue to watch and is the best track for trackdays its just doesn't make for good racing anymore at BSB level.
     

  17. Were we watching the same races ? I watched the BSB last night, incredible. Its a tight track, not much room for overtaking but i thought it was great.

    To top it off they had appx 50k spectators there, thats some feat !

    DULL & BSB dont go in the same ballpark, not even on the same planet :upyeah:
     
  18. Motogp is irrelevant in the same way that F1 is irrelevant.

    Superbikes is more akin to Touring Cars i suppose. Personally, i think rally drivers are the pinnacle of 4 wheel racers. F1 bores me shitless.

    I think the motogp riders and bikes are the pinnacle of motorcycle technology..there isnt the gap that there used to be when WSB (as it used to be called) started..the gap has closed, but i would guess that motogp attracts many more viewers.
    I wonder how much tech is developed in WSBK and is then transferred to motogp? None i would think, but i may be wrong.
    Big money sports are always full of politics and BS..thats human stupidity and money for you. The 'real' world motorcycle champion is always the motogp/500cc world champion..always has been.
    How many WSBK move to Motogp and dominate it, how many have become world champ? Answer, none....many have tried. Look at Bayliss and Edwards as a recent example.
    But turn it the other way around..Biaggi, Checa, Kocinski etc etc...all contenders, plus they usually move to WSBK when they are past their prime in the premier class...

    I think you have to enjoy each series for what it is. I'll be pissed of when it moves to BT Sport coz i wont be watching any of it unless its on t'interweb.
     
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