I used MRA and the Nav next app this summer for couple trips to Europe. It worked really well for that planned route thing. Day to day I stick to Waze in the car as the nav next app CarPlay integration isn’t great.but for any future bike trips I’ll definitely go back to the nav next and MRA combo with the phone on the bike.
I liked the TomTom when I had the CBR Fireblade as the bike had no fuel gauge and a limited range. So the TomTom displayed petrol stations easily, and you could see how far away - brilliant that was. Then with the TomTom it did not like wet fingers at all - touchscreen became 100% impossible to use in the rain with wet fingers or gloves. It became 100% useless and random menus would appear . I rode round Florence at the end of a long day, in the rain, trying to find anything at all - of course the Hotel itself was never found. 100% inoperable absolutely completely useless did not respond at all to wet fingers, even parked by the side of the road with gloves off. A 100% useless piece of crap right when I needed it most. Went back to Garmins. Current bike has better fuel range so not manic about finding petrol stations. Works OK, finds the places I want, works in the sun and the rain,has a weather app and some other clever features. I found the Scottish borders route by chance just by entering "scenic route" or similar - it chose the route. Great. Phones. I do not like having my phone out in the open - different with a car 'cause it is nice and safe inside. But a bike. My phone was well over a grand in price, quite delicate really, got my online banking on it, emails all kinds of stuff on there. When away I use it to book Hotels online each night for the next day. I use it for all kind of things. If that was to be lost/stolen whilst away that would be a massive pain in the ass. The sat nav I can afford to loose. I did actually buy another cheap one once. Granted the Phone has a lot more functionality, but I rather use that functionality off-handlebar when I am sat in a cafe or at the petrol station - take it out of my pocket.
I do get that point if view. MRA Next does work with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, have been using the latter in the car and it works. Though there are a few minor, yet irritating, glitches*, that don't happen when using the phone directly, that need to be ironed out. MRA are very proactive and are working on resolving any and all issues whilst also improving the product with each release. It's my intention to use the phone in the SP connect setup I have already as this does a good job of protecting my Samsung S22. When a decent Android Auto panel comes available and MRA have that side of things glitch free I'll likely be moving over to that setup. A long-time Garmin user over the last 20+ years, and I was an advocate for them over that time, I'm now won over by MRA. The integration with planning as well as the way it will stick to the original route. If you do deviate it still shows the original route as calculated/planned on the screen but also calculates and directs you via an amended route to your destination or next via point whichever is next. The user orientated/led development means that you're not beholden to whatever the big-wigs think is the next best feature to add. MRA tend to listen to their users and act on that feedback. OK, Garmin are a behemoth by comparison but some of the functionality in their firmware isn't great not to mention Basecamp. I got used to working with Basecamp, like Mapsource before it, and got proficient in making it work for me despite it's flaws. However, the on the road routing by their sat navs wasn't always the best and the tendency for them to occasionally 'throw their toys out of the pram' was annoying to say the least. * for example ; yesterday it hung onto turn directions, a small panel at top right of my Android Auto head unit display, for quite a few miles after the turn rather than displaying the next junction. Voice instructions and the main map worked fine though.
I really like the automatic waypoint skip on the Navigation Next app. Really useful in the real world. Your assessment is correct @Bumpkin , the developers are the users here so the most useful stuff is pretty sorted. I think the pricing model needs a rethink though. Not on the planner but definitely on the Nav app. Very stiff and free competition out there. As I said, on the bike for a planned trip it’s pretty peerless. But I cancel my sub when not away on the bike.
I have had my route since it was a beta, the gold cost me 20 euros for life and from the beginning as a solo planner, it was the best, then I moved on to the nagigation gold, and then they gave us the Next for having a license For life in the previous two, I have traveled throughout Spain and Europe with it, and I have ended up with the following options. First, a rugged phone for exclusive use for this and music, I can even use the same phone as a dashcam. In my case, an Umidigi Bison pro Octacore, 8/128 gigabytes, is more than enough, it is aquatic and does not heat up, with a touch function for gloves, on a connected SP, 150 euros, and if it breaks or is stolen, I enter to a Chinese store, I bought another one and downloaded everything I had from the network, it costs me 150 for another phone, but at least I don't have to abandon the trip Second, if you have a data connection, it shows you the points of the gas stations (be careful, only with data, if you go with downloaded maps it does not show the gas stations) Third, you can add some colors to the waypoints and their emojis, for example of beer, food, gasoline or a photo camera, among others, to the waypoint, and also at the same waypoint, you can write a note the point with its specific description, and when you pass that point, it reads it so you know what you have written down on it, in case it is of interest Myroute's comprehensive solution is magnificent
Just to say My Route App have just released some lifetime membership offers (limited time) to celebrate their 10th anniversary https://info.myrouteapp.com/lifetime-offers/
I use waze or google on my iphone, put it in the top of my tankbag, run a lead to it from the power outlet, I have also run a lead to the headphones, occasionally it's tricky to see but most of the time it's good. Works in the rain too, A bit of messing around initially but it's old tech reliable.
Google maps is great for point to point navigation, I use it in the car via Android Auto whenever I need directions. For planned routes where you want to follow specific roads, avoiding main roads and motorways, it's a complete faff.
The advantage of MRA is in detailed route planning for tours or ride outs where you want to ride particular roads and can set waypoints to keep you on track. Can be transferred to a Sat Nav or used on your phone
Plus the seamless integration between the planning software (MyRouteApp) and their navigation app (Navigation Next). Garmin consistently couldn't get this right with Basecamp (Mapsource was better in all honesty) as they were trying to do too much across a broad range of user types (drivers, hikers, boating community etc) as well it appearing that their developers didn't really listen to their userbase. The opposite of MRA who have consistently evolved their software based on user feedback and user beta testing. There's a new version of Navigation Next out in a few days with improved battery consumption and tweaks to CarPlay/Android Auto connectivity.
Agreed that the MyRouteApp is an excellent route planning tool with it's ability to flick between maps and pop into Google Streetview. I wish it would remember the last map used, as I tend to use Michelin maps most of time. It would also be useful if it remembered the other routes that have been displayed or at least remember the folder that the last route selected was in. MRA also has one list for all favorites which becomes unmanageable after a while. It would be better to to be able to group favourites into folders. It's good being able to use it in a web browser and on a phone. It does need a good internet connection, much less of problem nowadays - but don't use it on your phone while on a cross channel ferry :-( I still use Basecamp to review all the routes for a tour in one place, add favorites and create tracks then transfer the whole lot in one go into my Garmin XT via a USB cable. I also use Basecamp to store all my actual tracks as a sort of archive. Agreed that Basecamp takes a lot of getting use to and fossilised over 10 years ago - but maybe that sums me up as well I've never tried their navigation app or for that matter any phone based app. I'd have to invest in a decent phone to ensure it was water resistant, had a large battery capacity and wouldn't overheat. I'll stick with XT for now.
On your last note Steve; there are a few screens, designed specifically for bike use, that have recently come onto the market that connect to your phone via Bluetooth and then use Apple CarPlay or Android Auto, depending on your flavour of phone. These display compatible apps, allowing full functionality (though this is down to the app developer), whilst your phone stays in your pocket or tank bag. I'm looking to invest in one shortly, though I'm waiting to press the button on this until the last moment as, it's a relatively new concept, there are new models coming out all the time it seems.
That sounds a like a neat solution although I had my phone overheat last September when in my tank bag - and that was in the UK :-(
Apologies for the KTM flavour, but I've pulled the trigger and details of my new setup can be found here.
Thanks for that Gary, looks good. So it's an AMPS hole pattern on the reverse of the unit? That would be a big plus for me. Have been steering towards the Carpuride W702, 7 inch screen but mounting that seems to be a pain due to it not being AMPS. Also it's pretty large, I fear it obscuring the instruments mounted on my Ducati Performance, above the clocks, mount. I like the fact that yours has width but is slim in height, not unlike a horizontal phone screen. One of the guys I ride with has the Carpuride W702 so I've been looking at his and asking questions. Yours could sway me away from that. What is the brightness of the EVKEY like? Acceptable for daytime use? What's the touch screen like with gloves?
Prior to the EVKey, I tried an even cheaper one from eBay, but it was pants on several fronts. That looked very similar in form factor to the W702, and I thought it was a bit too big, not helped by the sun shield, which I thought was unnecessary and not removable. I rode to work in bright, low sunshine yesterday and the display was crystal clear - better in that respect than my iPhone. The screen is just as responsive as the iPhone with touchscreen enabled gloves, and much easier to use, as CarPlay/Android Auto is designed to be when on the road. IIRC, the Carpuride requires connection to the phone and to the headset, effectively taking control of the audio and cutting the headset controls out of the equation. This was a showstopper for me. The only connection to the EVKey is to the phone. The headset (Schuberth branded Sena firmware) performs as it always has, but I can still stop and start audio via CarPlay without an issue.