Why the hate??

Not sure, anyone I know that has got 1 loves it, so maybe it's a jealous thing ?
Personally I think they look great but I'm not into sports bikes so who knows. :smile:

 

because next to queueing its what we brits excell at

 

It occurs to me that the boys in the know recognise the gaping pani for what it is. More style over substance. It was always going to have a hard core following amongst the faithful but as a machine for seriously going out and doing the bizzo on, nah, it's just not cutting it. It was suggested some time ago that this bike would sell on heritage alone.

Cue, haters. You can't hate the capable, and that's just it, it isn't. Fucking shame, breaks my heart coz I was so pleased they tried something new with the frame, chain driven lump etc but its kicked em in the knackers, at least up to now. That's not to say it won't improve, I mean it has to, to some extent, everyone, and I mean everyone is banging on about how vague and disconnected it feels. Be honest, if you're pushing on, that's a little disconcerting. Fuck the commuting row, it's sofa compared to bikes of old and we know that, not even worth arguing about.

If it was doing what the previous generations have done before then we wouldn't be discussing this. We could look down from our (perceived) lofty heights and sneer at the mortals on the Jap crap et al as we have done for years.

It's pay back, bitch.

 

I think maybe ducati have rushed this bike out to soon instead of doing more development.Alot of the bad reviews seem to complain about vague feel and throttle response etc.Ducati seem to be changing a lot of stuff on the WSB 1199 and im sure this will filter down to the next version of 1199 road bikes.New subframe and tank changing weight distribution etc etc.

Seem to remember a lot of folks complaining about the first mutli 1200 bikes problems and loads of recalls.Now the latest version multi 1200 seems to have got rid of all the old gremlins.Same old ducati if you ask me using its customers as test riders lol.I guess this is one of the reasons id never buy a new ducati especialy a newly released model as I don't want all the hassle with recalls and then seeing a new fixed version 2 yrs down the line.

The 1098 seemed to be pretty good straight off but then I seem to remember they took a lot of time over this bike.

Im not the jealous type either as when I park my old 916SPS up next to the new bikes I still think it looks and sounds a lot better.I must admit I get that slight envy feeling when I see a Desmosedici with GP exhaust system though.Feck me I want one of those so bad.

 

I think too many people are getting het up over race results.

If I was entering WSBK next season then I would probably choose a different bike but i'm not (well haven't had the call yet).

I find it more comfortable than any previous Duke, or Jap bike for that matter.

I've had no problem with the handling - in fact I find it much more planted and flickable than my 999 or 848.

Can't really comment on fueling as I've had mine set up by CJS and its spot on - no slipping the clutch on roundabouts, hiccups or cut outs that I have read elswhere.

Lots of settings to muck up :wink:

On the odd time I have been caught out in the rain my confidence levels have been through the roof.

Then just look at it - but you have to do so in the flesh as pictures just dont do it any justice at all.

Well my two pence worth anyway.

 

I think its a fantastic step forward and super brave. My only criticism has been the fact it didnt go well in WSBK, but we've been over that one a million times now at this stage..next yr will be a different kettle of fish i reckon http://ducatiforum.co.uk/f17/wsbk-2014-full-factory-effort-16046/

 

Because its not a pretty bike in my view. Well at least from either side. If it was cleaning up on WSB/BSB i could forgive it. But it isnt so I wont. But thats just me. I am sure plenty others think its a handsome brute.

Its not the Pani I am jealous off. It the lucky sods with old 900 and 750ss that I am jealous off. I could likely stretch to afford a pani but I couldnt find a 750ss let alone afford one. Good luck to them though. I dont begrudge anyone who has what I can only dream about. I am happy that if I cant someone else can. Anyway who knows one day I may get a cushy number. Unlikely but i'm nothing if I am not a dreamer.

 

I think most sports bikes are form over function do a degree. If function was so high on the list we would all ride a GS. When the 1098 came out the purists said it was Japanese and sold out the Heirtage etc etc and then Pani is no different. Answer is simple, don't buy one then.

I also have seen quite a few people reporting the later versions are not having the vague feeling mentioned and it seems that came more from the suspension setup Ducati went with on the earlier bikes. Racing is an altogether different world to us wobblers on the road.

If the looks grab you then buy it i would say. It's never going to be crap because no one builds a bad bike anymore. There are just differing priorities and preferences. Same as it's always been.

 

Cannot fault my 1199s, no issues what so ever with it. Its much better than my 848 in everyway, so easy to ride in traffic.
Just because its not doing so good in WSBK, I could not care less.
Ferrari are hardly runnng away with F1, but given the choice I would be straight out to buy one if I could.

 

When I first saw this thread I thought it was another feckin windup from closet Harley trolls - Sorry Guys but that's the impression some give on other threads. At the end of the day its a Duc FFS.

No matter, I happen to like my Pani a LOT and have no regrets whatsoever other than reading obvious bullshit from those that haven't owned or lived with one beyond a test drive. Only issue I have had was getting a decent seat sorted. The Comfort option was way better than standard but put too much train on my wrists. Had the standard seat remodeled with gel pads with just 5mm height increase and covered in leather - End of problem

hope this helps

 

Because its different from past Ducati sportsbikes and many don't like change.

I like the fact Ducati are trying to be innovative and try new ideas - airbox frame etc.

Its not a bike i would buy as i prefer my Multi and my 748 but I can see why many do love their Panigales.

 

Ducati 999.......

 

For me, the Pantygirdle is an awesome bike. No, it doesn't have the mid-range stomp my 1098R has, but it spins up very quickly, the ergonomics are much better than previous Ducati bikes, the steering is much sharper and it's generally an easy bike to live with.

Compared to my other Ducati bikes, it's not worse, it's just different.

 

I couldn't have put it better myself!. I'm not interested in listening to people who comment after taking it for a test ride, first impressions yes but straight out of the dealers into traffic for an hour and at best 70mph on an 'A' road. Nor Am I interested in someone who has done the odd lap or two on the track. It means nothing. The people who own and live with them are the one's best qualified to comment. Like Simon says if my bike racing career depended on it then I'd think harder, but for my uses like many other owners where a good blast after work and a ride out on a Sunday is the norm then it's the best Ducati superbike I've owned, much easier and better to ride than my 749 or 1098 and I've never come across another Pani owner who isn't quick to complement the bike.

 

Well put Big M, could not have summed it up better.

 

^ it is refreshing to see positive comments and I agree. I was lucky to be invited to the launch of the 1199 in Abu Dhabi by Ducati. I went as joe public and listened to the same brief the international press were given and met the brains behind the bike and Troy Bayliss who helped develop it in the track. The ideas behind the bike were impressive and Troy was very positive about it.

We were all pleasantly surprised when Checa put it on pole at Philip Island but then he had his misfortunes and likely loss of confidence and we all know how this affects whatever we do - whether international sports star or weekend golfer. Checa's lack of time on the bike and therefore development time no doubt affected this too. Interesting to see that once Ducati put some fresher blood on the bike in the latter parts of this years WSBK results improved. Balance this with the rest of the manufacturers develop time (i.e. the full season), it's not bad at all.

From a personal perspective, I bought an R earlier this year, turned it into full track bike and have been fortunate to ride it in perfect conditions every time I have gone out. The bike is awesome. I raced a 996 10 years ago fettled by JHP in UK and the R is way better. Goodness only knows what the Superleggera is going to be like.....

Ducati has always tried to do things differently and the 1199 is another step in their evolution. Yes, other manufacturers build great bikes and most are a lot cheaper. As Ducati fans let's continue to support their vision and embrace the changes that come from their new owners too! Hopefully we can see the development and best of both worlds..... Italian Charisma and flare combined with efficiency and order!

I predict the 1199 will be WSBK winner again.

 

imho : ROSSI KILLED THE PANI!

the Panigale is paying the price for Ducati being in MotoGP and being in the doldrums since Rossi came in. for the WSBK , the pani even came a year too late. as the 1198R was and now cetainly is done. The Pani craves development and Ducati pulling out of WSBK as a F0x effort is like giving birth to a child and then hiring a nanny to do 99% of the work. 2013 was a huge loss of time and potential.. problem is that over that year, instead of being able to prove to the sceptics that the end of the trelly was a fact and that they did find the next best thing, they let the sceptisism run wild. Especially because of the one on one link with motogp failure and a an almost inexistant communication on what is going wring. Not further developping the monoframe and blaming it for the shit results just beacause that s what Rossi knows sort of led to to the final proof that the general idea is flawed. You design something in GP, apply it on your flagship bike, just to blame it for all the bads and dump it 2 years later is desastrous for perception. Even though perhaps 90% of the blame today might be breamframe/engine/electronics and have nothing to do with the monoframe. and then there are no real comparisons... like base in comp with a 1198 base... and even a standard 1098R to an 1199R.. no the only comp we see is the R agains the beemer and Ape... now , everyonse seems to have forgotten that in comps , the 1198 S came om amongst the last 3 : MV ( bad mappings ) and Gixxer ( boring and outdated ) as being : " great bike but needs loads of setup to handle a bit decently...." so life for the pani will just begin now...

 

what a load of complete utter shit

there problem is more revolution not evolution.

 

the hate on the pani is more perception than reality...