Help with scooter that went pop

Discussion in 'Other Bikes' started by Lucazade, Nov 7, 2013.

  1. As said before, exh blockage sounds possible.

    Has this with the other half's car. Turned out the internals of the cat conv. came loose and blocked the exhaust.
     
  2. The rattle after 15 mph before it cuts out could be pinking, week fuel mixture, all symptoms could indicate a lack of fuel problem.
    Steve

    PS you say it is not as bad when cold, the ecu will be giving it more fuel when cold.
     
    #22 Birdie, Nov 7, 2013
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2013
  3. Right a compression check is in order first to establish the health of the cylinder and piston, if no sounds are present then we can say the health of the engine is good, also given that it is a Honda then chances are it is ok. We need to see if it is valve related as the popping you say leads me to the upper cylinder first. What milage is on it Lucas and when was it serviced please?
     
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  4. 15.5k and with maintenance schedule. At 15k I have changed oil, air filter plus now belt and rollers.
     
  5. this pic reminds me of when some builders in Kingston put the parking wardens moped in the skip

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  6. I will pick it up next week. Will ask if he done all those (hope he did being a scooter shop). If not will test and see what I come up with.
     
  7. Exhaust sounds possible but my bet is ecu as all is well under load.
     
  8. Until under load I meant
     

  9. ...banana...
     
  10. Agree with final_edition - sounds like fuel starvation to me. Check filler cap, clean all breather hole/passages and then check the fuel line from fuel tank to carb

    Good luck
     
  11. ok so is this a 2 stroke or a 4 stroke engine
    so as said could be incorrect mixture being delivered so ........blocked injector ?
    blockage in exhaust system ie carbon build up if 2 stroke
    also daft thought if 4 stroke valve clearances could affect running when warmed up longshot but hey.......
     
  12. ok come on don't keep us in suspense did you get it sorted bud lol
     
  13. It's in the skip!
     
  14. So picked it up today. Wanted to do compression test but cannot find my tester.

    Spark plug is white like snowman!! With open fuel tank I can ride 30-40mph. When I reach that it starts being rattly and looses power. I tried to ride through it and pinned throttle full. Bike was running rough but neither was it accelerating nor slow g down. From standstill i can whack full throttle and for 2s it is good then it starts bogging down.

    Honestly looks to me like fuel issue now.
     
  15. sounds a bit like an air leak ?
    ok so 2 stroke white plug = lean mixture
    rattle from engine possible main crank seals and bearings
    pulling air in at crank would lean mixture
    hard to tell without actually looking at bike
    could check behind flywheel to see if oily damp from leaking seal
     
  16. bet not to serious, did you try disconecting exhaust?
     
  17. It is not a 2 stroke, it's a 4 stroke injected. Apparently it does not have a fly wheel just stator that acts as one plus as timing wheel.


    Finm forgot about that, will try tomorrow but exhaust gets blocked with unburned oil on 2 stroked only? Also that would make the mixture rich not lean.
     
  18. Johnboy, I have no idea how that engine is built, I guess flywheel (stator) would be on left side behind clutch/rollers as looking at it that is the only place. Both clutch and rollers were changed and nothing abnormal was noticed.
     
  19. Lucas
    Well worth taking Finm's advice, and disconnect the silencer temporarily to see if that makes any improvement.


    I would also suspect possible inadequate fuel delivery. Possible rusty tank clogging fuel tap and restricting fuel flow!

    Can you disconnect fuel line anywhere to check fuel flow?
     
    #39 CRYSTALJOHN, Nov 16, 2013
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  20. ok luca not familiar with this engine difficult to diagnose over the net lol
    so many different moped engines so many faults give same symptoms
    ok so 4 stroke thinking cap on !
     
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