which, for the purposes of this now redundant discussion is what i trying to....you know what?...bollox to it.
Read it, watched it, and it's absolute, utter rubbish which wouldn't deceive a child. Half-baked fantasies. That's some time wasted which I'll never get back.
AArrhh I spose I better open Rimpy's link seems he's right pissed off with you muppets. Best see what he's gassing on about .
#66 JohnV Yes i did and i disagree with it. Ref: the Venus project mentioned hereabouts, utopian fantasy. By that i don't mean to denegrate the ideal in regard to this discussion. But, the likelihood of it remotely happening is zero. Variation from the system of organising society that we have now is going to be evolutionary at most and not revolutionary. There is too much inertia to do otherwise.
Humans are what they are. And the products of humans are what you'd expect, given how humans are. We are just sophisticated animals, and not that sophisticated at that. Humans are, like most animals, fuelled by the sex drive and the mating game. That is what lies behind all the power struggles and the motivations to rise to the top in society. People change their motorcycles to compete with other motorcycle owners; it's more of a status game than anything else. If you had an 848 in 1975, you wouldn't be that motivated to chop it in after a couple of years for an 899, if you had the only 848 in existence. Kudos would already be yours. This drive lies behind most of the motivations for upgrading material goods. Humans will never live in one happy global family because it is unnatural. We are conditioned, like apes, to live in small societies where we actually know people. You just can't really identify meaningfully with a load of people in the middle of China whom you have never met and whose culture you don't share. Humans are massively successful as a species and their demise will probably come from that success. It might be a pandemic, or a massive war, but the system will probably be self regulating at some stage. This may take centuries or just decades, but sooner or later... As human numbers increase, more stress will be placed upon the world's resources. So life may be very different in the future - probably worse from our point of view. But it will still be viable for keeping billions of humans alive. I don't think that energy problems will be more than a blip. There is so much energy available in terms of matter lying around (E=mC2) or pouring out of the sun on a daily basis. Human ingenuity will fix that one. In the cosmological scheme of things, humans will last no longer than the briefest meteor. Essential reading are the Desmond Morris books, The Naked Ape and The Human Zoo and Frank's book Luxury Fever. All 3 full of insights.
I remember we have already had the Venus Project discussion and I thought it was utter tosh. I said what I thought on the subject here: The Venus Project - another dystopia - The Glidd of Glood Blog
If you are genuinely interested take a look at the following A Change in the Wind: Shale oil: Overhyped? Is U.S. oil renaissance overhyped? | Financial Post U.S. has ‘overfracked and overdrilled,’ Shell director says | Financial Post Are We Living Through a Shale Bubble? » Is Sustainability Still Possible? Net-energy (EROEI), Peak Oil denial & Oil Shale hype | Peak Oil News and Message Boards Shale Gas and Tight Oil: Boom? Bust? Petering Out? | The Energy Collective It would be possible to post links to websites that give a positive spin to shale oil and gas but the above are not exactly lunatic fringe. There are some very good geological and engineering reasons why I believe that shale oil and gas are overhyped. That is not to say it doesn't have a future but the idea that it is going to herald a new era of cheap and plentiful hydrocarbon is madness.
it will be completely worthless.. by the time the last drum is extracted oil will have long become far too expensive to be practical, and we would have been using alternatives for many years. the notion of 'peak oil' is also laughable as it implies we have tapped (or know about) every single oil field on the planet.
Pretty much what you wanted to start! You constructed a catherine wheel, left the blue touch paper sticking out prominently with a box of matches and went to look at the action from the safety of a bush.
Eat sleep Procreate .. That's it folks and survive ! We are just mammals and that's what they do Then money appeared and ruined it all!! The original plan suits me!
It matters not a jot anyway,we'll all be dust one day,no matter how important you think you are/someone else is/your descendants may be Governments and religious types might try to convince you otherwise,but there is no everlasting future,and there is no "great scheme of things" It's all bollocks,all the time................:biggrin: ...
