Rear Wheel Steering is a Muddy Art

Discussion in 'Racing & Bike Sport' started by luckyskua, Jun 17, 2012.

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  1. This is the training I do to get the feel and confidence for sliding my Ducati when the front tyre has begun to loose grip. Typically when I lean beyond an acceptable angle the front will begin to tuck and then I will progressively open the throttle to bring the back out and re-establish balance, front grip and direction.
    This is my Carrera Banshee and I am wearing a Tmberland HT2 watch. The surface is a thick clay and its not too wet today so still quite grippy but when it's sodden the path is difficult to walk across. The ground has a sideways gradient and the Carrera takes little provoking to begin a slide. The only way to keep upright is to spin the rear wheel and re-establish balance.
    Although the speed differential is obvious the technique is the same for either bike and the most unerving thought is always that once the boundary has been crossed I must slide the rear or I will crash.
    I run for endurance, swim for aerobic and upper body strength but I only cycle for riding technique.
     
    #1 luckyskua, Jun 17, 2012
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  2. Good practice! I raced/rode Downhill mountainbikes for 11 years, it did me proud to start riding motorcycles again on our glorious roads... :upyeah:
     
    #2 470four, Jun 17, 2012
  3. You should prep a 600 monster and come race DD with skills like that, you'd clean up
     
    #3 bradders, Jun 17, 2012
  4. What make is the hat? And is that a classic matalan vest? I have heard that the CCX and M&S y-fronts is a great performance combo? Any info on this?
     
    #4 Cranker V2, Jun 17, 2012
  5. Theres 2.04 minutes I'll never get back :rolleyes:
     
    #5 NZDave, Jun 18, 2012
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  6. I would suggest you learn how to not lose the front in the first place. If you are leaning so far as to lose sidewall grip then adjust your body position or accept the bike will no take that corner at that speed. I have to disagree with opening the throttle when you've lost front grip. That will just unload the front tyre and give you less grip, not more. As an ex-racer, I can never remember losing the front when on the power, but once it's gone I would never have unloaded it!

    Right, I'm off now to trundle down some lanes slowly in my Discovery to teach me how to slide a World Rally car :upyeah:
     
    #6 nuttynick, Jun 18, 2012
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  7. The hat is made by 'Airwalk' and its a 'MIR' vest, I can't remember if I was wearing pants. I'm not going to prep an M600 I'm having a sabbatical from Road Racing. I've never got on with getting my knee down and these days don't try for it so a slide is the only indication when I have over done it and they usually happen mid-corner after braking.

    Sorry about this thread but I get annoyed when idiots like Guy Martin or Calvin Crutchlow are quoted saying "I was going flat out and then the bike went down like for no reason" Dorks.
     
    #7 luckyskua, Jun 18, 2012
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  8. Maybe you should show them how it's done then......
     
    #8 nuttynick, Jun 18, 2012
  9. That Calvin Crutchlow, does he make underpants ?
     
    #9 Birdie, Jun 18, 2012
  10. He does, but he bloke dunt wear em
     
    #10 bradders, Jun 18, 2012
  11. Getting your knee down is not an indicator you have overdone it. It's an indicator of the amount of lean angle you have. A front end slide mid corner would indicate that you have finished braking, commenced your turn and gained the desired lean angle to perform the turn and then missed something out............the THROTTLE. A constant increasing throttle is needed to prevent loading the front and initiating a slide. It would seem that your riding style causes the slide, not speed, lean angle or knee position.
     
    #11 Cranker V2, Jun 18, 2012
  12. And don't diss getting your knee down, having onl started in the last year, it's awesome :cool:

    And actually means you can go even faster in a corner! Result! :upyeah:
     
    #12 bradders, Jun 18, 2012
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  13. And now all Bradders can do is get his arse down!
     
    #13 Cranker V2, Jun 18, 2012
  14. At least I am always racing for a podium when I sling it up the road ;p

    Just happens the podium now is the bog!! Lol
     
    #14 bradders, Jun 18, 2012
  15. Don't be daft that's Calvin Lowcrutch! :wink:
     
    #15 XxAnthxX, Jun 18, 2012
  16. What I do know is if you aren't used to this technique and you have over cornered then you will reach your max lean and drift wide on the exit - even go off track and fall. This technique removes the fear factor so if you know you have over cornered you will still lean more until the front breaks away then you can open the throttle to get the bike more upright, steered right and back on track. This style is about keeping weight over the front wheel and being ready to add steering input not stretching those arms and having fresh air cooling to the b*llocks. Any body movement for cornering is to introduce aerodynamic loading to the inside of the bike - god knows they go fast enough for that. What you people think you can do getting your knee down with the 400lb lumps of today is beyond me - it made sense with a 350LC back in the 80's but they weighed bugger all.
     
    #16 luckyskua, Jun 18, 2012
  17. We go very fast. That's how we get our knee down :upyeah:

    Oh and it's helped me win races :biggrin:
     
    #17 bradders, Jun 18, 2012
  18. Ok Lucky, I'll have an ounce of whatever you're on!!!
     
    #18 nuttynick, Jun 18, 2012
  19. there's an orange clad :redface: ktm man in the distance going by the name of colliecadam somewhere in this thread :biggrin:
     
    #19 peter james, Jun 18, 2012
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  20. Old Japanese proverb -

    Remember, it is better to fall off and die with honour, than it is to ever dab
     
    #20 Greyman, Jun 18, 2012
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