PEELIAN PRINCIPLES,as taken from the Met Police website 1. The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder. 2. The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon public approval of police actions. 3. Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observance of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public. 4. The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force. 5. Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law. 6. Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient. 7. Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence. 8. Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary. 9. The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.
^^^^ mumbo jumbo bullshit created by the type of people who see me as customer, not patient or citizen
Yes I do have to know why and yes I do have the right to know. We don't live in a Police state don't you know.
But we have only your side of the story! I mean, we only have your word that you have a car, or a wife, or that you even know what a copper looks like!
It must be difficult being a police(person?). Hell, any job where you have to deal with the public is difficult. I guess as a policeman, when you walk up to a car, you don't know if you're going to be talking to an axe murderer or Miss Marple. The modus operandi here seems to be to intimidate through shouting, body language or whatever. if you expect this and disarm the situation, you're much more likely to have a better result. Where I live, a lot of raw recruits come straight out of Hendon to their first posting, which can be entertaining. I was in the rangie recently, queuing at traffic lights when one of the interceptors came up behind, lights on and sirens screaming. He wanted me to get out of his way and was very angry that I didn't demolish the wall to my right, or drive over the vehicle in front in order to let him past. Range Rovers are little anti social, but it's difficult to intimidate when you're in a skoda....
Every community has its fair share of knobs. The Police are no different. On the whole, my experience with Plod is mainly positive. You meet some dicks sometimes but then I meet some dicks in all walks of life. I am probably a dick to someone. Unlikely as that may seem. :tongue: I only really meet the traffic cops these days, and generally they are okay to me. Sure they do me for my number plate but I know its illegal thus the blame is mine.
IMO I reckon the OP was lucky not to get arrested.....see below............... The TA2000 gives the police powers to stop and search both people and vehicles. If a police officer reasonably suspects that you are a terrorist you can be stopped and searched to discover whether you have anything in your possession that may be evidence that you are a terrorist. The police can also stop and search people and vehicles (and the people in them) without any grounds to suspect that they are involved in terrorism if an authorisation is in place permitting such searches in that particular location. Such an authorisation (under section 47A of the TA 2000) can only be given by a senior police officer. He/she has to reasonably suspect that an act of terrorism will take place and consider that the authorisation is necessary to prevent it. The area covered by the authorisation and its duration should be no greater than the officer considers necessary. The authorisation can only last for a maximum of 14 days. It will also cease to have effect after 48 hours if it is not confirmed by the Home Secretary within that time. Note by Arquebus: As far as I am aware, there is a permanent authorisation in and around airfields, airports and flight paths etc albeit it is graded in accordance with the currently publicised Security Level. Searches under a section 47A authorisation have to be carried out by police officers in uniform. The purpose of a search of a person can only be to establish whether that person is someone who is involved in terrorism. Vehicles can only be searched for evidence that it is being used for terrorist purposes. A person being searched can only be required to remove their headgear, footwear, coat, jacket or gloves. Someone who has been searched, or the driver of a vehicle that has been searched, can ask the police to provide written confirmation that the search has taken place. (NB the search power under section 47A TA 2000 replaces a much wider power under section 44 of the same Act. The Government repealed section 44 (by means of a remedial order under section 10 of the Human Rights Act) in response to the ruling of the European Court of Human Rights in the case of Gillan v the United Kingdom, which held that the search power under section 44 was incompatible with Article 8 of the European Convention. Section 47A will itself cease to have effect when Parliament passes similar provisions in the Protection of Freedoms Bill.) Powers of Arrest Offences under the terrorism legislation are all arrestable offences and there are also specific powers of arrest in the terrorism legislation. You can be arrested without warrant if you are reasonably suspected of being a terrorist. Because of the wide definition of terrorism it may be possible that you could be arrested under the terrorism legislation or other legislation - or even common law - but if you are arrested under the terrorism legislation the other provisions in relation to investigating terrorism come into operation. This arrest power may well be incompatible with Article 5 of the Convention. Note by Arquebus: As far as I am aware, a person must identify himself to a police officer when asked to; and a person cannot be asked to answer further questions unless they have been arrested. However, the threat of arrest will usually get most people to answer most questions put to them. The daft thing is, that once arrested, you don't have to answer anything.
if the O.p comments are 100% accurate, then i am with him. even if he got grumpy at the out set does the police have the wright to force him to move on?
You won't find many airfields or airport flight paths under which you can park you car and wait in for long without getting moved on.........It used to be popular to stop along the main road at Lakenheath, but I thinks that's stopped now.... The anti-terrorist laws have been put in place and the police have to enforce them, even if they don't know what the law is or how to apply it.......Remember Brian Haw protesting through a megaphone at the Houses of Parliament? The Government installed a law to specifically allow moving Brian Haw on..........Unfortunately it was so badly drafted, it allowed Brian Haw to stay there because he had been there before the law was put in place........Everyone else gets moved on or arrested.
a friend of mine and his son ended up inside the back of a car last year after the police did an emergency stop at the end of glasgow airport runway to move on people that regulary plane spot there, allegedly they could park on the left side of road but not the right?. nether one was seriously hurt. the up shot was the gs got wrote off and he wasn't charged with tail gating. possibly sustained a bit of brain damage as his next purchase was a harly.
I should point out that Brian Haw died in Germany in 2011...... .......A novel place to 'top' someone that is a nuisance, if ever there was one.........(but that's possibly because I have been watching Smileys People for a couple of evenings....)
People get arrested for nothing. People get beaten to death in police custody, and no action is taken against those responsible. People get fitted up for offences they did not commit, and sent to prison for years. These things happen all the time, in the UK, and have affected great numbers of people. In the scheme of things, being spoken to rudely and being ordered about by some dickhead cop is very small beer indeed. The OP should think himself lucky he is still alive, and at liberty, after his little encounter with the police.
