http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ed-States-of-Europe-says-top-EU-official.html "We need to build a United States of Europe with the Commission as government and two chambers – the European Parliament and a "Senate" of Member States," said the (unelected) Vice President of the European Commission Under her plan, the commission would have supremacy over governments and MEPs in the European Parliament would supersede the sovereignty of MPs in the House of Commons. National leaders, meeting as the European Council, would be reduced to consultative, second chamber role similar to the House of Lords. The Project rolls on. Vote on 22nd May.
Quote from Jose Manuel Barroso: "No other political construction to date has proven to be a better way of organising life to lessen the barbarity in this world," Think that should read: "No other political construction to date has proven to be a better way of lining our own pockets to lessen the living standards of everyone else in this world," Feck 'em... There are several anti - EU countries now - Roll on getting these overpaid, corrupt EU snouts out of our business once and for all
This is the same woman who keeps threatening Switzerland that it can't continue having bilateral agreements with the EU without full membership. I don't get the impression she is very representative of thought amongst many in Brussels. "Federalist hyperbole about a United States is the opposite of helpful to the majority of countries who want a reformed EU to work better," said a European diplomat. Once again the Telegraph is trying to whip its readers into a frenzy (not normally too difficult). This isn't news. The old bint has been saying much the same thing for ages.
Although member states of the EU have always been committed to an "ever closer union", there has been an on-going debate in Europe for 50 years between those who favour a unified Europe versus those who favour a federal Europe. The UK has contributed virtually nothing to this debate; presumably we were all looking the other way.
Yep, 'Lebensraum' has been ever present since before World War 1............so the 'threat' has been there for 100 years now.
Revealed: The secret report that shows how the Nazis planned a Fourth Reich ...in the EU | Mail Online Interesting reading!
Well it might be if it was anywhere but the Mail. What do you think the inferences are? What are we meant to take out of this (apart from the idea that the EU is a Nazi plot)?
Seeing as how Angela Merkel is an ex-East Berlin official, perhaps it's a Red plot............MacCarthy anywhere, someone?
The Lords show contempt for democracy. 'Parliament makes decisions, not the people' - anger as Peers say public cannot be trusted on EU vote - Telegraph Mandelson and Kinnock adopt the usual leftie line that voters can't be trusted. Lord Balfe, a former Conservative MEP and President of the European Parliament Pension Fund accused critics in the Press of being “xenophobic”. Britain has a “moral duty” to stay in the EU and welcome Eastern European states “into the family of European nations”, he added. And presumably safeguard his own pension fund.
Why is that a Leftie thing? (Though describing Mandelson as a leftie is a bit of a joke). Living in a country which has frequent referenda (every two or three months), I am all in favour of them. That to me, is true democracy. But it sure doesn't seem to be the prevailing view on here, where there are no end of people who seem to like the current system. I see no appetite for really transforming British politics. So some votes in the present system don't go the way you'd like. Hard cheese. It's the system people are so keen to leave alone.
I think it is a leftie thing because lefties are more likely to circumvent the democratic process because they know, with absolute certainty, they are right and that is all that matters. The point of the article was that here we have the Lords, all of whom are unelected, taking the view that the people can't be trusted over a vote on the EU. Maybe it is all short term smoke and mirrors to hide true intent but I for one would like the matter of the future of the UK in the EU to be put to a vote. Unfortunately vested interests get involved, and you don't get more vested than Mandelson and Kinnock, and the debate is deflected away from what is important onto what will win the day.
I think that right-wingers are just as certain about their own views. I see no difference here. If you have a problem with an unelected second chamber, why aren't you militating vigorously for election reform? You can't just moan about it when it doesn't do what you want it to on one issue. I could just as easily say you don't get more vested than Nigel Lawson. The Lords are inevitably more politicised now than they were back in the day, because successive governments have made loads of peers in an attempt to stuff the House full of their sympathisers. Getting a peerage used to be a great honour, now it's just some cheap political trick. I see no reason why Mandelson deserves to be a Lord - he's creepy enough. You could say that the Lords in its present form has outlived its sell-by date because it has been subverted. Though equally, an upper chamber staffed with chinless wonders who inherited their titles may not be marvellous either.
Yes, but then too many decisions are made in their own interests. We have lost faith in our politicians, whether those from previous generations were any better I don't know but the current lot just don't stand up to the scrutiny of the internet age.
true, there is land reform bill going on up here at the mo, too few own to much they say, i fear tho its more the politics of envy than reform.
Those from previous generations were very much more concerned with promoting their own interests than any politicians are now, of any party. It is only in modern times that the interests of ordinary working class people have been a major consideration - and you can thank Marx for that.
