indeed glid... struck me to.. he's riding that bike out on it's rear wheel.. and doesn't seem a bit bothered by the wiggly bits...
watched that last night very impressive, I'm sure I'd be as fast as him if I ran slicks.......... :Bag:
After watching this and having been playing MotoGP 2013 on a playstation vita for a few weeks and being slow... I need to ask... Do you brake right up to the apex? I thought the best route to stability in the corner was to brake whilst approaching the corner and at 0 ish degrees of lean then release the brakes get in to the position you want to be in for the corner, let the bike settle and then tip in get around enough to complete the turn with gentle increase in throttle to drive through the corner then once it's clear to go forward hammer the gas whilst getting the bike upright. In list form it looks like this Approach corner Apply Brakes Release Brakes Assume Position Allow bike to settle Tip in Apply throttle increase gently Complete most of turn Increase throttle to 100% whilst getting bike upright This seems completely wrong when watching a decent chap on his bike. He brakes right up to the apex then gets on it as soon as he can.
I was taught in my track tuition by successful racers to brake right up to the apex, as far as possible. We were made to do it as an exercise. Really fast guys are either braking very hard, or they have the throttle wide open. There isn't a lot of in-between. You don't do any "engine braking" on track. You pull the lever with all your might, or crack open the throttle. Well, yes, there will be corners where you have to feather it, sure, but the principle of all or nothing is basically what racers are working to.
yep ... and square off your lines .. make your straights as long as possible.. keep the turns as short as possible... knowing is 1 thing...but then
So you are tipped over and breaking at the same time? I'm guessing the front is only lost if you are coming in too hot for the tyre to handle or if you touch the front brake again after the initial shedding of speed? As in the reason you don't lose the front is that a huge amount of force is pushing the tyre in to the ground as you decelerate from high speed to turning speed, but that weight transfer would be missing if you weren't travelling at high speed to start with? Or are you up right right up to the apex then trying to turn on a sixpence?
depending on the turn .. if the apex is early, you ll go as straight as possible.. if the apex is late in the turn you'll be balancing getting lean and loosening up on the brakes... its the ( very) fine line between scraping the front tire and letting it roll... but the outerwordly stuff is when they play gears, clutch and rear brake to square the back ... the guy that won IDM last year is known to have open throttle whilst still on the brakes... ..
I read an article by Casey Stoner he was explaining the way he brakes up to the apex whilst at the same time applies a bit of rear brake and gas to 'steady' the bike. I distinctly remember thinking NOT to try that on my next trackday..... Braking to the apex is hairy shit and you'll get fuck all feedback until boom, down you go. I see racers save the front end with their knee, the clever bastards, but me no chance. And my bike is far too priddy to be lobbing into the scenery.
I bought a complete spare set of fairing to track with but I don't want to be flipping it. A low side is going to be much better than a high side! Plus at Castle Coobe I was going Mach Grandad and getting over taken by everything one. Feels weird to be talking about bikes on here.
Only brake to the apex if you are going fast enough to warrant it. Different people teach different things, for example Haslam brake hard, release a little, turn, brake hard again to the apex: CSS brake hard, turn fast and hard off the brakes, open throttle early as poss and drive thru apex Bike type and power makes a difference too. Do whats best for you then build up
I'm sure there are different techniques, but to answer the original question, yes, it's OK to be still braking when you are tipped over, but the further over you lean, the less hard you will be braking, so even if you are braking to the apex, you are gradually braking less and less as you get there. I don't do much of this on the road though. Still happy to let engine braking take some of the load, and prefer only braking with the back when leant over. But then I'm not trying to set a time on the road.
I've wondered about this too. I always tend to brake late and deep and then ramp the power steadilyish back up again while trying to be as smooth as possible. That's the theory anyway, practise can often be different. Just wondering but is this why I seem to eat front tyres? I'd always heard most people run 2 rears to every front but I tend to find the edges just off the harder central compound on my fronts are down to the wear bars quite a while before I should need to replace the rear....
