France and Germany agree upon moving the EU towards a Federated Europe - your straw man of suggesting that all member states agree on all matters notwithstanding.
I am somehow arguing no such thing. Instead of knocking down things I haven't said, have a crack at the things I have said. If you don't understand the subject matter, feel free to ignore it entirely but if you are going to dip your toe in the water, please try harder.
No-one will be more delighted than me fin if it they pull it off and succeed. But theres more to loose than £1,500. Its not about money. Its about a shared history thats ending. That saddens me the most. Short term I think things might go okay. But 20yrs on? Hmm. Not so sure.
i hear ya. but does anybody?. it really is a leap of faith. theirs not many on here got to where they are by saying it's not worth the risk.
As far as I can see from the news reports, the story about what Cameron may have said about the risk of the UK leaving the EU if a particular person gets the presidency, is just hearsay. I can't see what his having gone to Eton has to do with it either. The simple fact is that we are never going to have a referendum on EU membership during the coalition government - the LibDems would not allow it.
This should be interesting BBC News - Row brews as Angela Merkel backs Juncker as EU chief Not only has Merkel put her, er, weight, behind a federalist, she's ignored and possibly snubbed Cameron. Until now, he's been trying to sweet talk her into negotiating a change in our membership. With JCJ at the wheel, we've got no chance of renegotiating.
The elite within the EU have their agenda and are not interested in democracy, just ask the Irish or the Danes. Cast Iron Dave is saying what he has to say for public consumption here in the UK but the reality is that the juggernaut, or should that now be the Junkernaught, rolls on. I can just imagine Dave saying to Angela " sorry about this old girl but the natives back home are getting a bit restless, not to worry though, between us Red Ed, Cleggy and I have it under control.
Which particular point do you have an issue with ? Regarding the EU , if it looks like duck, walks like a duck and quacks ...
Johnv, you would sound a bit more credible is you didn't refer to Ed Milliband as "Red Ed". There is nothing red, ie communist or extremely left wing, about him. The Labour Party are at best at the right wing of social democracy. Real leftism has been dead in the water ever since New Labour decided that the only way to get elected was to adopt the Conservative Party manifesto. "Red Ed" just sounds like a rabidly right-wing, Daily Mail style moniker which makes you sound unworthy of either agreeing with, or arguing with. I am sure that this is not the case. As a disclaimer, may I say that I am neither a fan of Ed Milliband, nor do I loathe him particularly. This sums up my stance on Cameron and Clegg too. All decent people I am sure. The best people for the jobs they are doing? I really don't know.
unfortunately with the leader of the labour party their is nothing left wing, right wing or anything else about him, he just completely lacks sincerity or credibility on any issue, he jumps from one band wagon to another making silly statements trying to grab media and peoples attention without actually thinking through anything he does or following it through, he just completely lacks credibility. This is a shame because it is killing the democratic structure in parliament in that we have a completely ineffective opposition which allows the other party to roll out their policies in an unchallenged environment - this does not make for good policy or good government
I agree with you Glidd, but it amuses me to refer to the leader of the Labour Party as Red Ed, so I do. It is not as though I seriously expect to change the political landscape from within the Ducati Forum, or from anywhere else for that matter. The main parties occupy the centre ground whilst desperately trying to maintain some sort of brand identity, yet increasingly there is little to choose between them. The tax borrow and spend paradigm just goes on, which would be OK if we were ring fenced from the rest of the world, but we are not. We desperately need new solutions and I think we both agree that a United States of Europe is not one of them. Globalisation is hurting the average guy on the street yet the elites and their acolytes are increasing their wealth as everyone else is squeezed. Where will it end ?
It will end with the demise of nation states. Corporations in charge of politics. Policed by heavily-armed cyborgs. I saw this in a documentary. I think it was called Robocop, or something.
that's a different issue. I do find it bizarre that a lot of the Yummies at the boys' school will buy the cheapest shit, made by what could be argued to be slave labour, and then donate to charities and espouse left wing views. I'm no socialist (you might have guessed), but I try very hard not to abuse peoples labour.
